I got stuck with browns/broncos and raider chiefs. How controversial was the reffing in this game? Or was it your usual “team with lots of wins always gets ref help”?
The eagles fans in the sub will have you think it wasn’t an issue because they got the calls all year. Of course missed calls both ways and at the end of the day the bills lost that game themselves. But if their franchise QB was penalized on a play he was blatantly horse collared on, they would be upset to. According to the all 22, they feel vindicated so good for them.
The latter for sure. The Bills were up deep into the 4th and choked. That’s all that happened. The penalties that are being complained about happened earlier in the game. Buffalo benefits from a non-call on their last TD of the game when an online man (think it was the vent, maybe right guard) was 4 yards different blocking at the goal line. But no one’s bringing that up.
It’s overblown noise like most ref complaints.
The problem is penalties absolutely neutered a historically awful first half form the Eagles which kept the game way closer than it should’ve been.
Good teams overcome penalties. That’s what makes them good teams.
The Bills were up late in the 4th and choked. That’s all there is to it. They had every opportunity to score more points (while still leading) with numerous drives unaffected by penalties but they didn’t because they couldn’t, not because their scores were being taken off the board by penalties. Those are the facts.
The second thing you said.
Can’t stand the Bills but they got shafted all game. Eagles were constantly false starting (especially Lane Johnson), Allen was flagged for getting horse collared somehow, Eagles O Line getting away with some very massive holds, and more. Definitely was a suspicious game.
Homie, Lane Johnson did not play. He was out with a groin.
Another example where people don’t know the rules for tackles. Every game.
Not calling holds is multiple times a time for both teams in every game. Carter gets held constantly.
Allen was flagged for getting horse collared? Again I assume you don’t know the rules. He was drafted down by the front. Not a horse collar. The brief hold on the back was not how he was brought down. It was a sack and while well in the grasp Allen threw the ball away and it was grounding.
Very suspicious. 🤪
It wasn’t especially. As usual calls were missed on both sides.
I’m gonna get downvoted by angry Philly cheese steak people but it was an absolute shit show. Pretty much WWE. It was so bad dolphins fans our division rivals were calling out the bad Reffing. That officiating crew is statistically biased towards the eagles and somehow the league doesn’t see an issue with this.
Bills got away with alot less penalties then they should’ve got. Set the record for 1st quarter penalties this season with some of the most braindead penalties I’ve ever seen. Eagles were in their head. They were jumping offsides and tackling before the ball was even snapped. A face mask off the ball in punt protect. And a DT that should’ve been ejected but instead was allowed to commit 7 dirty plays.
I like the eagles and even I gotta admit it was some of the worst officiating I’ve ever seen
Refs miss calls all the time… nobody perfect. But holding an grabbing goes on every play. If they would’ve called it I wouldn’t be mad at all!
Full tweet. Basically what we all know, there could be a flag on every play.
There should have been a flag on that specific play because Slay was holding the WR.
Should rules be subjective or objective?
Subjective since it’s literally not possible for it to be objective.
Honestly, I think it depends on the rule specifically. There are certain blatantly objective things like lining up past the line of scrimmage, and there are plenty of calls where I do think the refs should have some leeway to interpret such as pass interference.
Why should they have leeway?
No sport will ever be perfectly objective. I think soccer is maybe the only one we can say can really minimize the impact of a ref but even that’s BS.
There needs to be some level of consistency between each ref crew but to think refereeing will ever be completely objective is unrealistic.
That isn’t what I asked
Baseball definitely the closest, a balk is probably the only call that can’t be made objectively, but it’s such a minor thing anyway.
There’s still a lot of rules in baseball that the written definition of what is and isn’t rule breaking is left up to the umps judgement. Check swings, turning to second after reaching first, etc. Soccer has a lot less rules and they’re less subjective. Plus MLB umps can just do whatever they want without repercussion.
Amazing how it’s totally fine for you in this case lol do you not see how favored you’ve been this year or are you gonna pretend it’s not happening?
Eagles had a great whistle (as in, in their favor) in the bills game. There have also been games theyve had a bad one. That’s literally every team.
The only exception i can think of is the chiefs, and thats only bc it seems mahomes gets a key call in crunch time in every game i watch theyre in. I dont watch every game, and they also beat the eagles in the sb, so could be both wrong and salty given biases.
I’m not gonna say we haven’t benefited from shitty officiating. But the shit happens every year, and it’s highlighted when it benefits the top teams, ESPECIALLY when two top teams are playing each other because everybody and their mom is watching. We all have learned to deal with it, whether it’s Tom Brady, the Chiefs, and currently the Eagles benefiting from penalties.
People have complained about the Eagles benefiting this year, but gave us shit after the SB for complaining about the holding on Bradberry to end the game. In the end, excuses are excuses, and everyone has them.
Both teams had a chance to put the game away, and the refs had nothing to do with each team’s final play in OT
I’m not gonna say we haven’t benefited from bad officiating.
People have complained about the Eagles benefiting this year, but gave us grief after the SB for complaining about the holding on Bradberry to end the game.
SHOCKER: People don’t like it when one team is constantly benefited by bad reffing. People also don’t like it when fans of that team complain about a CORRECT call just because they didn’t like the timing of it.
Slay gets away with so much
The Sauce of the NFC.
Didn’t the eagles just go yet another entire game without having a holding call against them?
Weird how to the best Oline in the league doesn’t hold as often as others.
yeah but what about the Eagles’ oline?
They’re tied for last in the league in both offensive holding and defensive holding.
4 offensive holding calls and 2 defensive holding. If you’re curious, Dallas has 14 of each.
lmao citing Dallas in comparison is a liiiitle misleading given that they are literally most penalized team in the league for defensive holding, and tied for second most in offensive holding.
The league average for defensive holding this season is 4, compared to the eagles 2. The league average for offensive holding calls is 8, compared to the eagles 4.
that’s kind of how comparisons work bud
Gotta get yourself that momma kelce plot armor if you want to cut back on those.
I mean the very next play was a first down. 0 actual impact on the game.
I’ve seen more eagles fans saying that bills fans are blaming the loss on the refs than actual bills fans saying it. Gotta love a good victim complex
Gotta check the downvoted/collapsed comments.
How nice of him.
That’s very easy to say speaking in hypotheticals as your team won the game.
Didn’t Bradberry say essentially the same thing after his team lost the superbowl?
Anyone ever notice the only group using those ugly official NFT avatars is eagle fans?
The problem isn’t that the NFL is fixed.
It’s that the rules are so subjectively and imperfectly applied that there’s no way to prove it’s not fixed.
The NFL should add an instantaneous sky judge, make the officials full time, and add more officials to the field so that more stuff gets seen in real time. The costs are minimal compared to players’ salaries.
Oh, and while they are at it:
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Make intentional grounding a real penalty by penalizing 5 yards plus the spot of the foul and loss of down. As is, there’s no real penalty: it gets called maybe 30% of the time, and when called is no worse than a sack;
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Fix RTP to get rid of the ridiculous “body weight” and ticky-tacky calls. Let the defense play defense.
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Revise the pass interference rules to get rid of gimme calls on under thrown balls where the receiver initiates contact with the DB and tried to go through the DB to get the ball. Pass interference should require the DB to be the primary initiator of contact.
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Don’t make defensive holding an automatic first down. Ticky tacky calls on 3rd and forever shouldn’t be an automatic first.
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DPI is kind of like a strike zone in MLB… as long as the referees make it clear how they are going to call it and call it the same way for both teams.
Unfortunately, MLB doesn’t do this well ever and lately NFL referees are struggling with this as well.
Problem in football is you have refs on different sides of the field so even if each ref is consistent themselves they may be inconsistent between each other. So things that you get away with on one side may end up being penalties on the other. Football is so fast and these calls are so subjective. Need an eye in the sky.
Here’s my thought on the eye on the sky thing:
There’s so many penalties every play, how do you have a real game? There’s always a lineman holding. There’s almost always some form of pass interference.
How do we get through the flag on almost every play in every game?
You’re not wrong. Need cleaner football or different rules.
If you call things tighter, players will adjust. If there are rules that players can’t adjust to, then the rules need to adjust. For example, people like to talk about offensive holding going on for every play, but the NFL’s rulebook has a list of exceptions that aren’t holding that actually make it so that even if you called it strict, there’s a lot of plays where there wouldn’t be holding called, because it’s not against the rules.
You’d have a real game because players and rules makers would adjust. That sounds a hell of a lot better than “Break the rules some, and we’ll call it sometimes, possibly at times when it fucks you over, good luck!” Or the alternative, “When it matters, people can break the rules and screw you over, because we won’t call it during high impact plays at the end.” We see both now.
Breaking: Darius Slay fined $10,000 for tweet about NFL officiating.
I mean, of course he says that after the fact and when it isn’t relevant anymore.
If everyone on that team is anything, they are accountable for their actions. Just like Bradberry admitting he held in the SB after the game. What do you want Slay to do, go tell the ref to call a flag on him?
They don’t interview players during the game. When else would he get to say it to the media? 🙄
In the words of BG: “It don’t matter”
You can simultaneously have atrocious officiating AND not blame it for McDermott pissing away yet another historic Josh Allen performance in a close game. I wish I could dig through the comment history of all the Bills haters in here because I’m sure the hypocrisy is strong with them.
I’d also say that any smart player is going to gamble on taking a penalty in some situations, so I’m certain Slay knew he could either take a risk on DPI or be almost certain Diggs catches that pass for a long first down. It was a smart play on his part.
A penalty on the refereagles? Get out
Bills fans are giving 49ers a run for their money. Three crucial calls went against the Eagles at the end of the game, two false starts and the debatable RTP. There was a no call on an illegal man downfield on the go-ahead TD. You lost this game because Tyler Bass ain’t Jake Elliott, Jalen Carter is incredible, and the Eagles skill position talent won out. And McDermott being a coward, ofc.
It was REALLY Gabe Davis running the wrong route. That is the dead answer to why the game was lost.
It’s just the new talking point against any winning team. Blame the refs. Chiefs been getting it for years. I can’t be too hypocritical because I bitch about the refs too. It’s just funny hearing people say the refs like the Eagles. If you’ve watched the Eagles for as long as I have, it’s hilarious because we have more often than not been on the shit side of bad officiating.