Hey there, it’s me. This is just me sharing my opinion on the new special since it panders towards me in a sense.
I agree with every point the special is making; not every movie needs to be this big preach.
Like, as a gay person, I’m tired of Disney, HBO, Netflix, all these big companies that make a blank state out of great material.
Of course there is great gay shows - (The Owl House, Atypical mm.) but those have something else to keep you watching where the gay is front and centre.
Let me use The Owl House as an example. A teenage girl is thrown into a world of demons and must traverse her way back to the human realm.
Cool plot point, right? However by Season 1 episode 16 “Enchanting Grom Fright” it’s made clear that there is going to be a lesbian relationship between the human girl and a demon girl name Amity.
However, they address this in Season 2, Episode 8 “Knock knock knockin on hooty’s door” where Amity and the human girl -Luz get together.
And that’s the last time that it was brought up and the show continued like normal, just with them being in a relationship
I’m getting sidetracked, my point is - there can be homosexuality and social issues in a show with out it “pandering”.
And it also feels like by Disney that they’re trying to “make up” for past homophobia so now they’re really just pushing gayness on to everything they can and use it as a sort of shield, if that makes sense.
Anyway, this is just one gay person’s opinion, feel free to comment your own - straight or not. If you read all this - thank you.
While we’re on the topic… how do you feel about Will and Grace? I’ve always wondered.
My opinion is that Disney half asses it in a corporate way. As in look a gay person we are so progressive!! edits it out in Asian and middle eastern countries
totally agree
SW 7: Finn is built up as a deuteragonist with equal screen time to Rey and hints to his Force sensitivity.
SW 8: Finn is sent on an irrelevant side quest because, oops, China doesn’t like black people.
SW 9: Finn is… around. Sometimes. To scream “REEEEEY!”
Seriously, I can’t blame John Boyega for souring on Star Wars, because he seriously got dicked around for that whole trilogy, and in the end, all the bullshit he dealt with both from both higher ups and from certain parts of the public was all for nothing.
I just finished watching She-Ra, and I loved the gay characters because being gay wasn’t their personality, but they were, in fact, complex, interesting characters that happened to be gay. Owl House is definitely on my list of shows to watch in the future.
Dragon Prince also has some well written gay characters, highly recommend!
You guys are still stuck on this and not learning how to do shit!!! That is the important thing people!!!
You get out your phone and you call a repairman!
PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER GAY!
Jokes aside, I’m gay too. Personally, I love LGBT stories. I LOVED Rocketman, a whole damn movie about a gay musician.
When Hollywood, Disney, all of that put gay people in things for the sake of diversity points, and censor it for other countries that don’t accept it, it’s obnoxious. It’s fake representation. That’s the pandering. Real representation is what is important.
So true. Like don’t just write a gay character for pity or diversity points. Make them human, give them flaws, don’t just give them hardships.
Like I said, Disney is just trying to make up for the homophobia they had in the past and they’re trying too fucking hard.
seems like disney can’t add gayness without pandering.
Jesus Christ I got no time to read a novel
Yet you still felt the need to comment?
It’s like in the new little mermaid how all of Ariel’s sisters are a different ethnicity, king trident must have a harem
If anyone can be a polygamist, it’s a king
That they could’ve pulled of quite good, because the sisters are meant to represent the seven seas iirc. So having each sister represent one ethnicity (or mixture of ethnicities) living in proximity to the seas isn’t to far off.
I think you your argument is pretty solid.
Most modern shows today think that their show is supposed to have a gay character as a requirement to pass some diversity test and they then proceed to make that character’s value centre around their gayness and almost nothing else. Basically they are the token gay person.
There is also a lot of soap box rants and preaching about who are the heroic victims and who are the villains shoehorned in there to meet some sort of perceived obligation. Especially when it comes to the concept of what they think feminism is.
A show that uses diversity well is the expanse. All the preaching about bigotry there is mostly based on the cultures between Earth, Mars, and Belters. With some future rich vs poor classes sprinkled in for fun.
I forget who wrote this line, but it was from a video essay that I really liked about writing characters of certain, typically unrepresented identities.
If you want a good gay character, write a good character, then make them gay. Same with any other minority or identity. Character writing comes before identity if you want a good story.
If the story is centered around their struggles with that identity that’s fine, but in certain media it seems like “I’m the character that’s gay! That’s it!” rather than “I’m a complex character that moves the story that happens to be gay!”.
Either way though, I hate seeing a well written character of certain identities be bashed despite being well written, and I also hate seeing characters that are very obviously meant to pander.
Being autistic atypical really helped me feel like I’m not alone in some sense. Kind of pathetic maybe but I really enjoyed it.
Put a chick in it. Make it autistic too.Has another gay person it was ok
Yet another gay man here. I liked the episode. And while I’m not always sure if the people using the “make it gay and lame” meme are laughing about the absurdity or laughing at gay people, I can’t control what they do. Ultimately, I was excited when Disney said we’d get some gay characters. It felt like a huge step, then we got an unnamed man (directors cameo) in Avengers: Endgame and two unnamed lesbians kissing in the background in Rise of Skywalker and honestly I became pretty frustrated. Eternals and Strange Worlds features a gay protagonist. And in both cases the gay character is in no way relatable to any gay person I know. Ultimately the queer representation feels like what straight people think gay people want. It isn’t authentic and I think in a lot of ways that’s what people are reacting to.
A gay character will always have their queerness be apart of their character. But it’s like Disney doesn’t know how to depict that without either making them the straightest couple in the movie (Eternals) or making their life so removed from the gay experience of being a youth (Strange Worlds) that they might as well not have even done it. I want gay characters who are complex and messy and all kinds of things. It’s one reason why South Park actually has solid queer representation. Tweak/Craig, Mr. Garrison, Mr. Slave, Big Gay Al. Most of those are wild stereotypes but they’re also their own characters some are just wholesome like Tweak and Craig some are sex weirdos and others are downright psychopaths (Garrison).
I saw someone say this in the box office subreddit but somewhere along the lines Disney decided they would make dour and depressing films for 20-30 year olds but kept the emotional maturity of their children’s films. Everything they make these days feels so grim, it lacks joy and they decide to use that to celebrate diversity? Wtf Disney.
you think you’re special bc you have a gay opinion? lame
Also, this you? Either, you are rage baiting or actually just a moron and i can’t tell which one.
That’s not what I’m saying, you jackass. You don’t have to read it, you dumb motherfucker. I was just saying that since it panders to me in a sense that Disney nearly makes all gay characters and I was just providing my opinion.
Where does it state that I think I’m special? I was just providing my opinion as a group that special “panders” to, you moron.
