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    It’s conversations like this that confuse me because who exactly is commiting genocide? I’m calling the take centrist because you’re making out as if both sides are guilty of genocide when it literally is only one side (the government of Israel, the organisation that the original post refers to). It is a false equivalence. But if you think by me stating support for the liberation of indigenous Palestinians is making it a team sport where I’m somehow trivializing genocide then so be it, that’s what you think.

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      Hamas’s goal is the destruction of Israel through terrorism. The only thing keeping them from committing genocide (as Israel is capable of) is not having the resources to do so. Both sides want to eradicate the other, but one side is much more capable of doing so. That doesn’t mean that Hamas is somehow less bad.

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        Hamas’s goal is to end the oppression and occupation of the Palestinians. There is nothing genocidal about this.

        There are Christians living in Gaza and Hamas isn’t committing some crazy religious cleansing on them either. Their problem is with Zionist oppression.

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            Resisting an oppressive fascist ethno-state trying to colonize your land and murder your population is the opposite of genocide.

            What you’re saying is like saying Ukrainians fighting against Russia for their freedom is Genocide.

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                Mate, Palestinians just happen to exist and want to thrive. Stop ascribing some violent fantasy that never was to those poor people.

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                Are you saying Palestinians appeared from thin air to fight against your holy israelis who were living on that land for 2000 years?

                I thought Russians hating on Ukraine were brainwashed. Sad to see people here on the same level of rethoric.

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        If a 16th century Native American wanted to destroy the government of the United States of America, would you say they were wrong?

        Hamas’ blatant anti-semitism towards all ethnic jews is wrong. Hamas’ desire for Israel to not be a nation anymore is justified.

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          If a 16th century Native American wanted to destroy the government of the United States of America, would you say they were wrong?

          Depends if they attack the government or civilians. Palestine has a right to defend itself, the hamas strategy is not exercising that right just like the idf isn’t exercising their right to defend and instead are committing genocide. That’s the point. Hamas would have my full sympathy and support if their strategy wasn’t terrorism.

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            I don’t support Hamas just like you don’t. I don’t support the death of civilians, Israeli or Palestinian. What I have a problem with in the general sentiment of this thread is people acting as if the Israeli government’s actions are not the cause of this war. Hamas would not exist if the Israeli government never oppressed Palestinian people first. The PLO wouldn’t exist if the Israeli government didn’t oppress Palestinian people first. Hamas killing innocent civilians wouldn’t have happened if the Israeli govrnement never tried to genocide Palestinians. You can argue that Hamas would commit genocide if they could, but the fact is Israel is the one commiting genocide at the moment. Making out as if both need equal condemning (although they need condemning nonetheless) is equivalent to giving a bully the same punishment as the victim who fights back. They are simply not the same.

            Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. But especially fuck Israel.

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              Making out as if both need equal condemning (although they need condemning nonetheless) is equivalent to giving a bully the same punishment as the victim who fights back.

              If the victim fighting back is a punch to the face, I’d completely agree. But this victim fought back with excessive force and I can’t ignore that either. I do agree that Isreal made their own bed. I’ve been yelling for years that all Israel is doing is recruiting more hamas members.

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              Whatever crimes the Israeli government committed (and there are many), nothing justifies killing civilians who have nothing to do with them, and that goes for both sides. Fuck anyone who murders innocent civilians for any reason.

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              the victim who fights back by… killing completely random innocent children. but i guess the instant that is over, it no longer happened.

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          I’m confused at your tone. it seems like there’s more fundamental agreeing here than disagreeing. yes, one side has more power and has recklessly abused that power. but they both want to destroy each other’s people, including innocent civilians. that’s objectively terrible and is why there is no good side to take.

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      If conversations like this confuse you, why confidently share your opinions in a public forum on a subject that, by your own admission, confuse you?