On that topic, it has been really strange watching the same group that used to have nothing but vitriol for the Soviets, suddenly in jump in bed with the Russians. A generation has passed is one factor, I suppose. Still, its an about face that still makes my head spin a bit. I have to attribute it to Russian influence campaigns and other underhanded corruption using power, money and influence.
Second: Group of right-wing authoritarians hate Nation run by left wing authoritarians. Nation drops left ideology and swings hard right? Group of right-wing authoritarians change opinion of nation real fast.
I mean tbf they also make use of soviet iconography to just as much of a degree, they have a weird obsession with synchrotizing soviet aesthetics with Imperial Russian aesthetics in what can only be described as “grievance culture chique”
Fascists always talk about returning to some former greatness. If the greater past was communist, thousands of years ago or a fairy tale does not matter as much.
From what my Russian friends told me: Putin is a neo czarist. He has been preaching the “evils of western influences” for 30 years and trying to revive the Russian Empire. “As Marxism is a German ideology and was imported by the Germans to cause the Russian Empire to implode into civil war and close the western front in WWI to destabilize the Russian Empire it is inherently flawed and evil” : the “mighty Russian” people endured “western Marxism” and are still proud of their cultural symbolism from that time period as they made the art not the “evil westerners who tricked them into attempting communism”.
If you would like more sourced information about this topic, I would advise you to read the foundations of geopolitics.
It didn’t really, at all. It had revolutionaries with little in the way of ability to govern, and then a bunch of opportunistic autocrats who came in to pick up the pieces. Saying they had anything to do with communism was idealism at first, and outright fabrication after.
It did, and it was a great example of where communism leads, as demonstrated by every other nation state that has gone communist. Devolution into an authoritarian dictatorship isn’t a bug in communism, it’s a feature. It’s right in that little single-party “transitional” government bit. WTF do you think is gonna happen with that kind of ass-hattery?
We can incorporate socialist elements and reign in the excesses of capitalism without giving up our democracies and accepting authoritarian rule, thank you very much. Communists are either assholes or idiots, just like fascists.
It never got anywhere near communism. You just had a bunch of ideologues who imposed their idea of a “perfect society” on others without any real idea of how to actually accomplish that. Then a bunch of opportunistic prats came in, convinced others “Oh hey, we’ll give you communism, you betcha” while imposing their own fascist ideals on it.
Authoritarianism is literally the opposite of communism. Just because some assholes called themselves communism and told you “this is communism” doesn’t mean it was in any way true.
No, it got as far as was intended: the “transitional” phase. Communism is all about Phase 2: the “transitional” single-party government everyone must accept while said authoritarian regime works on bringing about the perfect, government-less society promised by Communism, capital-C. Except there is no such society, because it’s a myth meant to keep the masses down, just like the religious opiate Lenin railed against. No, Phase 2 is the end game of communism, which is why no major society that’s adopted communist ideals has ever gotten past it.
Authoritarianism is the very heart of communism, you’re just still drunk on the Kool Aid.
If he was a communist and had control of Russia than Russia wouldn’t be the way it was.
It may surprise you that some capitalism supporters got into power in the soviet union before Yeltsin ordered the parliament to be bombarded with tanks, dissolving the socialist democracy and bringing about capitalism in former soviet states.
The USSR collapsed more than 30 years ago. Modern day Russia has nothing to do with communism at all.
It is closer to its Czarist imperial roots than it is to the the USSR. You would be more accurate using the Russian Imperial Eagle
They literally revived the old imperial symbol when the Russian federation was created.
Yeah yeah. You’re right of course. I am an American child of the 80’s though which is why my mind uses the hammer and sickle still.
Also, Fuck Russia.
Edit: And, you try photoshoping that fucking eagle into a stencil format. Fuck that.
I don’t suppose… I could maybe get that without the trump sign? Possibly in .dxf format?
(no, I’m not going to make a stencil and gratuitously vandalize every trump sign I see… why would you even ask?!)
Wolverines!!
Not American but I totally understand. :)
You nailed it. I must have been 9 or so when that came out.
While the invasion in the original Red Dawn was stretching things a bit, at least the USSR was a credible threat back then.
The remake swapping out the USSR for the DPRK? Please…
On that topic, it has been really strange watching the same group that used to have nothing but vitriol for the Soviets, suddenly in jump in bed with the Russians. A generation has passed is one factor, I suppose. Still, its an about face that still makes my head spin a bit. I have to attribute it to Russian influence campaigns and other underhanded corruption using power, money and influence.
Two reasons.
First and foremost: Money
Second: Group of right-wing authoritarians hate Nation run by left wing authoritarians. Nation drops left ideology and swings hard right? Group of right-wing authoritarians change opinion of nation real fast.
Have you seen “The Americans?”
It’s like that, but less fun.
A sizable amount of politicians are either spies, bribed, or have dirt on them (probably fucking kids).
I mean tbf they also make use of soviet iconography to just as much of a degree, they have a weird obsession with synchrotizing soviet aesthetics with Imperial Russian aesthetics in what can only be described as “grievance culture chique”
Fascists always talk about returning to some former greatness. If the greater past was communist, thousands of years ago or a fairy tale does not matter as much.
From what my Russian friends told me: Putin is a neo czarist. He has been preaching the “evils of western influences” for 30 years and trying to revive the Russian Empire. “As Marxism is a German ideology and was imported by the Germans to cause the Russian Empire to implode into civil war and close the western front in WWI to destabilize the Russian Empire it is inherently flawed and evil” : the “mighty Russian” people endured “western Marxism” and are still proud of their cultural symbolism from that time period as they made the art not the “evil westerners who tricked them into attempting communism”.
If you would like more sourced information about this topic, I would advise you to read the foundations of geopolitics.
Edit added more quote marks
Breaking out Alexander Dugin; nice.
Oh, they started using the hammer and sickle more since the war started.
That’s a disgrace.
You say that like the USSR had anything to do with communism.
At least it pretended to.
Modern-day Russia doesn’t even try to pretend.
It did for a while, until it didn’t.
It didn’t really, at all. It had revolutionaries with little in the way of ability to govern, and then a bunch of opportunistic autocrats who came in to pick up the pieces. Saying they had anything to do with communism was idealism at first, and outright fabrication after.
They used communist symbolism. That seems relevant when we’re talking about symbols.
Soviet symbolism.
No. It was invented in Russia but it’s an international symbol.
I hate when people think communism means USSR. It had nothing to do with ut except the name
It did, and it was a great example of where communism leads, as demonstrated by every other nation state that has gone communist. Devolution into an authoritarian dictatorship isn’t a bug in communism, it’s a feature. It’s right in that little single-party “transitional” government bit. WTF do you think is gonna happen with that kind of ass-hattery?
We can incorporate socialist elements and reign in the excesses of capitalism without giving up our democracies and accepting authoritarian rule, thank you very much. Communists are either assholes or idiots, just like fascists.
It never got anywhere near communism. You just had a bunch of ideologues who imposed their idea of a “perfect society” on others without any real idea of how to actually accomplish that. Then a bunch of opportunistic prats came in, convinced others “Oh hey, we’ll give you communism, you betcha” while imposing their own fascist ideals on it.
Authoritarianism is literally the opposite of communism. Just because some assholes called themselves communism and told you “this is communism” doesn’t mean it was in any way true.
No, it got as far as was intended: the “transitional” phase. Communism is all about Phase 2: the “transitional” single-party government everyone must accept while said authoritarian regime works on bringing about the perfect, government-less society promised by Communism, capital-C. Except there is no such society, because it’s a myth meant to keep the masses down, just like the religious opiate Lenin railed against. No, Phase 2 is the end game of communism, which is why no major society that’s adopted communist ideals has ever gotten past it.
Authoritarianism is the very heart of communism, you’re just still drunk on the Kool Aid.
Putin was trained by the KGB.
If he was a communist and had control of Russia than Russia wouldn’t be the way it was.
It may surprise you that some capitalism supporters got into power in the soviet union before Yeltsin ordered the parliament to be bombarded with tanks, dissolving the socialist democracy and bringing about capitalism in former soviet states.
So we agree. Putin was trained by the Soviet KGB.
Yes, but we disagree on whether that makes him a communist. He is a leader of a very capitalist country.