• gmtom@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Ah yes, the millions of innocent palestianians that had their homeland taken from them and are now being bombed are literally just ask guilty as the people doing the invading and bombing. Very enlightened take.

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      10 months ago

      The problem with saying “both” is that there are 5 groups involved, maybe even 6.

      1. The Israeli government
      2. The Israeli people
      3. The West Bank Palestinian government (Fatah)
      4. The Gaza Strip Palestinian government (Hamas)
      5. The Palestinian people (arguably separate groups to account for differing levels of suffering and oppression)

      I’d agree that “both” are bad if you mean the Israeli government and Hamas, though to different degrees at different times. I’d agree “both” are victims if you mean the Israeli and Palestinian peoples, though undoubtedly the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are the most victimized right now and in general.

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        10 months ago

        Ah sorry, just made a comment outlining the parties that I am talking about lol, clearly stating it’s Hamas and the Israeli government

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        10 months ago

        Do you also make this distinction between the government of nazi germany and the citizens of nazi germany?

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      10 months ago

      My take is very simple:

      -are they actively targeting civilians? If yes then bad:

            -Israeli government- yes, then bad.
      
            -Hamas- yes, then bad.
      

      -are they following what is recognised as international law (namely the 1993 Oslo agreements):

            -Israeli government- while they formally recognise Palestine as a state, they have consistently undermined the Palestinian authority and occupied much of the West Bank without a plan for either self governance or leaving, settling parts of the West Bank aggressively, therefore bad.
      
      
             -Hamas- does not recognise Israel in any way and openly calls for its destruction, therefore bad.
      
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        10 months ago

        I don’t think Hamas soldiers are usually in uniform and Hamas bases don’t have signs saying “Hamas military base” on them. They couldn’t exist if they were easily distinguishable from civilians. Naturally Israel abuses this natural opposition to their oppression by escalating the oppression.

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        10 months ago

        You missed actively using civilian infrastructure for military purpose, actively using civilians as shields, targeting of civilians, and hostage taking as international laws broken by Hamas.

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          10 months ago

          Yes I know, I restricted myself fairly, but outlining war crimes committed by Hamas would’ve been too long a list. Namely, not properly identifying combatente

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          10 months ago

          It’s funny because the IDF did all of this just last week. All those Palestinians illegally detained in unknown locations: they are hostages, in every practical sense of the word.

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              10 months ago

              You’re right, they haven’t used anyone as a human shield yet after Israel had to make it illegal to do since it was a normal occurrence. Otherwise they did the rest it seems.