• MxM111@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    I would rather people were pro-creation-of-something, rather than destroy something that works, even if poorly, without really suggesting the alternative.

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      11 months ago

      I’d say how humans have lived for tens of thousands of years before the last ~2 centuries, minus obviously kings and priests. I think it’s historically proved that it works, literally for millenia on after the other

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        11 months ago

        One of the things you learn in anthro is how many different societal structures have existed “successfully” in human history. Successfully is obviously relative as I don’t think anyone today could even imagine life before… the 1900s probably. “People in the past aren’t just us in different clothes” after all.

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          11 months ago

          I introduced kings and priests, my bad. i didn’t want it to have a political turn.

          I meant: the “economics” have been almost the same for millennia one after the other, so we could use that “model”. minus K&P means we should try to limit as much as possible human leeches, be it because they’re born in a particular family or they have a special relation with a super powerful dude - that never shows up, though.

          then, about all of the “intricacies” of cultures, what’s successful or not, etc. : I do obviously agree. but we’re in such a moment where we can sum up a lot of human experience, because we have available the most complete library of all times. we also made huge progress in psychology, freeing ourselves from magical thinking. I think it’s reasonable thinking about overthrowing kings musk, bezos, potus, president of China, you name it. in the most peaceful way possible. we should destroy AI before it’s too late though: there are already AI contents that cannot be distinguished from reality. imagine a government producing AI videos to show how barbaric and violent is the enemy of that very same government.

          many things are simplified, but I think, having on open mind whom is reading this, that I’ve explained my point. mobile it’s destructive when it comes to write a lot.

          thank you

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        Kings and priests go back at least 6000 years. There is no point in Western history without dramatic power and wealth disparity. The same goes for most Eastern history. Any cultures without those structures were crushed by cultures with those structures.

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          11 months ago

          got it: we definitely should never ever make use of our experience. like, never.

        • banneryear1868@lemmy.worldOP
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          11 months ago

          While they live incredibly hard lives, there are cultural structures which have somehow survived longer than “civilization.” I wouldn’t want to live in those societies, but their longevity through isolation does break the paradigm of capitalist realism. Those societies don’t necessarily have concepts of wealth either.