Noticing some people levying that against people bringing up complaints about their experience here. It’s not the spirit which I hope will prevail. Also, lazy cop out in a discussion.
I think kbinners are doing a good job with having a good reputation in the fediverse. But ex-redditors as a whole both on here and Lemmy are the new kids on the block. It’s important to keep that in mind. We arent redditors we’re kbinners now :)
I’m one of those new kids and I’m still struggling to wrap my head around a lot of things. Like I understand the concept of federation, but I can’t figure out how to use the tools (if they exist) for distinguishing between local and federated stuff. What makes federated threads show up here on kbin? Are there any that don’t? I guess I’m just unclear on the execution in practice.
so you can tell where something is coming from by checking the full @/name. you can see this in the sidebar for magazines, or hovering over someone’s name to see for the users. there’s userscripts to show it automatically and I think it’s planned to have an official option to do so.
What makes federated threads show up here on kbin?
By default, we can access every other federated instance. However, it might not show up if someone isn’t subscribed to the person or magazine. Threads for magazines should be 100% in sync across instances (though sometimes things are a bit finnicky due to the influx of users).
Are there any that don’t?
Content from other instances won’t show up here if:
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it’s not part of what the collective kbinauts have subscribed to (if we subscribe to another instance’s magazine, it pulls in that content for everyone here.)
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if another instance decides to block or “defederate” with us. as of now I think every instance is federating with kbin.social so this shouldn’t be an issue.
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if you mark that you don’t wish to see federated content. this will only show you stuff from kbin.social.
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I am very excited by what Kbin is doing and is becoming. That being said ever since they opened up Lemmy and the rest of fediverse I have started to see more and more hate speech to minorities. I had hoped that those kinds of people would have stayed on Reddit but it looks like they ended up on Lemmy and now Kbin users are having to deal with it since opening up it’s gate. I am not saying Kbin should separate from the other fediverse I just think they should make it more obvious where content and post are coming from.
Saw a great post before, not KBiners, KBinauts! :)
I will accept nothing less than kbeans
I gotta say I have never vibed with kbeans. Sounds like something an elementary school teacher rewards their students with
Also like that kbinaut (and kbinner) keep kbin in the name
this has my vote
okay yeah we’re going with kbinauts for sure.
I dunno, i like kbiner so long as it isn’t pronounced binner, more like carbiner. I’d rather be a rifleman, than a bin diver, lol. As for kbinauts, makes us sound spaced-out crazy, as in twirl your index finger in a circular motion around your temple type. I’m on the fence about it.
Not to be confused with kerbonauts from KSP ;)
(there’s a pun to be made here about the planet Kerbin but I can’t think of a good one)Tbh we are kinda the alien astronauts of the fediverse. Beehaw claimed the bees.
And here I am thinking Beehaw was a play on ‘yeehaw’… yikes
It is. Their mascot is literally a bee cowboy. It’s a play on bee and yeehaw, so beehaw
I’ve found the interface at kbin the best of the Lenny sites I’ve tried but there’s still things about it that really frustrate me. Things that, admittedly, I liked about Reddit. But if this places becomes some weird “old hands vs newcomers” site then yeah, I’ll go back to Reddit. Which would be sad.
There are a lot of people exploring Lemmy and kbin right now who aren’t being intrinsically motivates to seek something different. They’re looking for a parity, 1-tog1, drop-in replacement for Reddit because the stuff they liked interacting with on Reddit disappeared for a few days.
They’re not here to play in a new possibility space, they’re here because they want Reddit, and Reddit is not acting like Reddit anymore.
But this isn’t Reddit. This is a totally different space that… Kinda looks like Reddit, but not really?
And it certainly doesn’t work like Reddit.
One of the things we saw with the Twitter migration was a bunch of people insisting everyone make the Fediverse work exactly like Twitter, even though there are both social and technical reasons why that is never going to happen. Those people didn’t want to engage with those reasons, they just thought “it worked this way over there, it needs to work that way here!”
And I don’t know what to say to that person, other than “It sounds like you already have what you want. Over there. Have fun!”
The people you’re (justifiably) worried about aren’t leaving Reddit because of the blackouts. The Reddit experience and content haven’t disappeared- all you have to do is switch to subs that didn’t go dark and post/consume content there instead. Eventually the protesting subs will be reopened under more subservient mods and everything will go back to “normal”.
People (like me) who are exploring entirely new communities right now are the ideologically motivated ones who don’t like what Reddit leadership is doing and want to find a new place without that kind of toxicity. Based on my very limited experience so far, that seems like the kind of person who would fit in here.
The motivations were pretty similar for people exploring Twitter alternatives, too. They didn’t like Elon, didn’t want to be associated with him, and branched out.
Then he started breaking shit, and more people branched out. Indeed, every bit of Elon cringe that came out for 3 months was accompanied by a wave of Twitter users hitting Mastodon servers for the first time.
The real difference, I think, is that Reddit users – and especially Reddit users who are going to be most impacted by the API circus – are used to a higher level of technical complexity than Twitter users. People aren’t necessarily groking the complexity here yet, but they’re open to it being complex, to rolling with the punches, and to just… playing with it.
Enough of us are, at least.
A lot of the Twitter users just showed up and basically kept asking “Why isn’t this Twitter?”
There were other issues, too, of course. Sociological issues. Mastodon had a relatively large established population, and that population was… I guess the word I’d use is “wounded”. And they’d established a culture and social norms that weren’t compatible with Twitter users. So, when Twitter users started showing up, they started trying to impose those norms in a way that was both confrontational and also just laughably ineffective.
The 400 or so tankies stirring up shit on Lemmygrad were never going to be an issue for Redditors, though. They weren’t when they were on Reddit, and they won’t be now, either.
I seem to recall, “Go back to Digg” being a thing, after the V4 exodus. The fact is that, no matter what you do, humans are going to be human. We can encourage people not to be like that, to be patient and helpful, and it will help, but… kbin is kind of in the middle of a septembering, and there’s really no way to tell how it’s all going to shake out (although as part of the group whooshing in I hope to be a good contributor in both content and attitude).
Absolutely. Attacking users solely based on their negative experience with Fediverse is totally inappropriate and doing so makes the local user base seem elitist and hostile towards newcomers. If someone is being disrespectful, it’s their behaviour that should be addressed, not the fact that they came here from Reddit or any other platform.
“Lazy cop out” is a good way to put it. I’m not saying I’ve never used similar constructions (on Reddit, mostly, ironically), but it’s not exactly conducive to either civil discourse or growing a platform.
Why are you “subtweeting” about this, just address the person who did it instead of pre-emptively accusing the entire Fediverse of doing it.
It’s not like Redditors are all that nice in general, so why construct a narrative that it’s so much worse here?
I don’t feel I’ve done either of those things. Right now there is a great deal of meta dialogue about the transitions and changes occurring, particularly in relation to migration from Reddit. This post was a contribution to that, and in lock step with other convos that I’ve encountered here.
If they are toxic assholes they can go back to their kind…
I see you’re in agreement with beehaw :P
Idk what they do, but I have noticed a influx of toxicity on reddit during the last months, and after the blackout its skyrocketing, i don’t want these people to scare away actually participates with their behavior.
I was making a joke because your instance got blocked by beehaw for literally the thing you’re talking about. I thought it was kinda funny so I made the quip.
