Interesting bit of news for the threadiverse. All three of these are fairly large lemmy instances

  • surrendertogravity@beehaw.org
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    1 year ago

    I was strictly replying to the part of your comment where you said they made a decision to try to be one of the largest instances ā€“ imo they did not make a explicit decision to try to be that, but rather the growth was a side effect of the circumstances around reddit users checking out the fediverse.

    Is closing registrations is better than having an application with questions that weed out low-effort users? IMO itā€™s probably a wash. beehaw has only banned one user from the local instance that I know of, so the application process seems to be working overall. The issue is that other instances are growing too quickly and needing to moderate those users, not their own.

    I do agree this isnā€™t great for the threadiverse and I wish it hadnā€™t come to this, both on a personal and community level. I was subbed to the knitting community on lemmy.world, it was the most active of those communities that I saw, and now Iā€™m locked out. Idk if I want to move to an alt on a different instance, or self-host my own so that Iā€™m fully in control of what I can see, or what. :S

    • spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 year ago

      No the issue is that four moderators for the whole instance was always unsustainable and allowing the communities to become the defacto defaults without growing the mod teams was a bad idea. This was easily foreseen and corrected. Blaming other instances is not at all fair.

      • Noki@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        you do not understand the problem. The growth was on every server of the fedivers - so moderationg users from different servers was to much work. how should they stop people from other servers? two options - block any individuell(which is to much work with so many open registration servers - they can just spamm new servers) or nuke the server where most of the trolls come from.

        • spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          1 year ago

          I DO understand the problem. They only have an issue with an influx of users because they are the largest (defacto default) communities. A position that was incompatible with their moderation system from the get go. Had they had more sustainably sized communities none of this would have been an issue.

          • MassiveCelebration78@kbin.social
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            1 year ago

            The moderated, reasonable stance is that everyone is right! Beehaw probably could have done things differently, including making a stickied post that they donā€™t want to be the default large instance, and/or acquired a lot more mods to manage the federation of other large instances. On the other hand, Lemmy doesnā€™t have the same principles as Beehaw and prioritized the growth of their userbase over a filtering system. To you it looks like one is worse than the other, thatā€™s because you want to see content from everywhere and donā€™t share the principles of the other federation - so youā€™re probably not a good fit for Beehaw atm (and if anyone is blindsided, I donā€™t get itā€¦ I could see it written all over Beehaw that they are trying to promote certain principles over growth, I donā€™t share in those principles but I can respect that they were direct about it).

            Everyone on the Fediverse should expect to see instances un/re-federate several times over especially in the growing stages. The critique is fine but it should definitely be tempered with reasonable expectations and not unnecessary ridicule.

            The idea that people are missing content on Lemmy/Beehaw/Kbin instances that get defederated are looking at this from a ā€œthis should be super convenientā€ mentality which, convenience is why Reddit expects youā€™ll go back. Quality of content, genuine community-building, and/or responsible upper management doesnā€™t have as much value there, it is inherent in them being a VC, convenience is what matters most on Reddit/TikTok/Twitter/etc.

            On the Fediverse, the one thing that should be said more is that the instance you join, you should prepare to be involved locally through that instance more than anything else. The idea you can or should just join anywhere was something I wrong wrong about, as was much of the Reddit people saying ā€œjoin Lemmy it doesnā€™t matter where, itā€™s all federated.ā€ I donā€™t blame them or myself, itā€™s a newer concept and nuance is lost at the entry- level to anything. If people were coming to the Fediverse for fully federated, more convenient content than they should try Mastadon, because theyā€™re farther along and had their own issues to deal with during the Twitter migration that propelled them much like these instances that are still growing and learning will, in time.