It has occurred to me that Vulcan must have some form of sex industry to handle those going through Pon Farr who arenā€™t currently married or otherwise involved. Otherwise, theyā€™d have constant issues with violence from those suffering the ā€œblood feverā€ whose spouse was far away, or had died, or for some other reason had no one to mate with.

Given Vulcan attitudes towards sex, itā€™s probably kept out of sight, and is only ā€œofficiallyā€ available to those experiencing their ā€œSeven Year Itch,ā€ but it has to exist, right?

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    Meditation had been shown to be less than effective (Tuvok and Vorik both tried and failed to use meditation to get through their Pon Farrs).

    It seems that, in universe, something about Vulcan physiology also prevents medication from being particularly effective as well (also failed for both Tuvok and Vorik).

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      Coming from someone with an academic background in biology, the treknobabble in biology and medicine is pretty terrible.

      Thereā€™s a concept called the neural correlates of consciousness that basically states that every thought, memory, emotion, or other mental process has a direct correlation with the wiring and states of the cells in your brain. We can debate on whether or not to include other body states or gut bacteria, but the essence of the argument is that there is no ā€œmindā€ as a phenomenon apart from the brain. This being a more serious sub, Iā€™d argue that something like transporter technology implicitly assumes this, since you arrive with the same thoughts, memories, and emotional states as you had when you were decompiled.

      So youā€™d be able to say that the Vulcan amygdala becomes hypertrophic during pon farr due to signaling by some other physical brain structure and activates the limbic system which itself becomes hypersensitive to stimulation and so on. So you can govern your pointy-eared patient some space Xanax, which increases the effectiveness of Vulcan GABA, which calms them down. Or using your advanced knowledge of physiology that no doubt extends down to the level of quantum effects, find another avenue of intervention.

      Basically, Iā€™m acknowledging your point - itā€™s a necessary complication that makes for interesting plot lines - but it really doesnā€™t line up with a justifiable in-universe answer.

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        So youā€™d be able to say that the Vulcan amygdala becomes hypertrophic during pon farr due to signaling by some other physical brain structure and activates the limbic system which itself becomes hypersensitive to stimulation and so on. So you can govern your pointy-eared patient some space Xanax, which increases the effectiveness of Vulcan GABA, which calms them down. Or using your advanced knowledge of physiology that no doubt extends down to the level of quantum effects, find another avenue of intervention.

        Applying human neurobiology to Vulcans might not be too useful, since there are too many variables that come into play, from their telepathic abilities, to vastly different blood chemistry.

        We know that at the very least, the Ponn Farr is more than just a simple neurochemical rush, at least in a way that makes it so that it isnā€™t possible to safely suppress, or deal with via other methods. Otherwise, Voyager could have dealt with Tuvokā€™s by giving him an epinephrine shot, rather than the somewhat complicated affair with a holodeck.

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        but it really doesnā€™t line up with a justifiable in-universe answer.

        I went over to have a little look-see about Pon Farr on Memory Alpha.

        ā€œYou only take a mate once every seven years?ā€ ā€œThe seven-year cycle is biologically inherent in all Vulcans. At that time, the mating drive outweighs all other motivations.ā€ ā€œAnd is there nothing that can disturb that cycle, Mister Spock?ā€ ā€œExtreme feminine beauty is always disturbing, madam.ā€ ā€“ Droxine and Spock, 2269 (ā€œThe Cloud Mindersā€)

        Thereā€™s pretty much no justification for the biological reason behind the seven year cycle that I can remember. But do we know what cycle it is? Perhaps itā€™s something to do with the planetary bodies around Vulcan? Like in humans, the menstrual cycle is about the same as one moon. (Sandi Toksvig once noted how it was definitely women who came up with the earliest calendars [in context they were talking about the ā€œearliest man-made calendarsā€])

        So if their planet had some sort of a cycle that every seven years thereā€™s a nice long summer because of some planetary alignment, it could be a good time for fighting and fucking.

        Oh but I was just supposed to say ā€œnice comment, thanksā€, and not babble on about something I was thinking about, lol.

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      Shoulda paired it with a wank. Thereā€™s gotta be a holodeck treatment for this that can fool the body

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        The holodeck can work, but seems to be less than 100% effective. It worked for Tuvok, but not for Vorik.

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        Something that also seems to work is a fight, so it is possible that a boxing match, or something like that might be effective in letting off steam enough to deal with it.