Thousands of subreddits are still dark.
I don’t think anyone is saying that Reddit shouldn’t charge the 3rd party apps. Pretty sure they just wanted fair pricing.
It’s absolutely a fuck you price, reddit doesn’t want the press of saying they wan’t rid of 3rd party apps. But they’re trying to do it anyways. IDK why though, because it’s nakedly obvious to even people not involved in reddit.
And full experience, as they are also going to restrict NSFW posts for 3PA
Not even “fair pricing”, because no one can know what is truly fair unless they have access to the P&L statements. Maybe this pricing really is based on the lost opportunity cost Reddit is paying as a result of third-party apps – we honestly don’t and can’t know for sure, even if it seems completely absurd.
The devs and users of the site were lied to. Repeatedly. We were told one thing while the C-suite planned something else. We were gaslit and lied to about timelines, pricing, and intentions, and more. We were told our opinions are just worthless noise and that the only goal of the site is profit, not community.
It’s our job to believe they don’t want us, at this point, no matter how much they do or do not backtrack in the coming days, weeks, and months.
Then they could just release the records showing how expensive it is
If they would have just made it so that you needed Reddit Premium to use 3rd party apps I would have thought that was fair and subscribed
People might’ve grumbled a bit (me included) but it wouldn’t have led to the massive blackouts we have now.
Devs said that was discussed and rejected by Reddit. They’re stuck on that $12,000 for 50M figure. Because the goal is killing the apps.
Find it hilarious how perfectly this solution solves all of the problems reddit spoke about.
Reddit not profitable enough? Not enough premium subs? Third party app users can’t view ads? Api use is too high and you’re not making money off of it? Making premium a prerequisite for third party app use hits all 4 birds with one stone lol.
Reddit don’t want fair pricing, they want to get all users on their app and third parties to be dead.
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I asked him if he felt that Apollo, rif for Reddit, and Sync, which all plan to shut down as a result of the pricing changes, don’t add value to Reddit. “Not as much as they take,” he says. “No way. They need to pay for this."
I don’t think anyone has ever said they want the API to remain free, they just want a fairer price model and/or more time to allow existing year-long contracts to be valid. Why the sudden urgency to push out this stupidly high pricing model? The only time-critical event I can think of is Spez’s precious IPO, and he’s doing a great job at showing potential investors that everything’s under control
/s ( <– are we allowed to use that here?)
The sarcasm tag has been a thing for a long time, used in various forums before reddit was a thing.
It’s all about the money, baby.
This is too much to believe. IMO spez is just the fall guy.This wholole shitshow leads to spez taking the blame for killing reddit, leaving, and then reddit monetizing the api at more reasonable rates than those already announced, while dying a slow death
Reddit gave the ‘fuck you’ price for third party apps, then the guy in charge lied through his teeth about convrosations that has happened.
Deleted my reddit account. Twitter lost my patronage. Soo too will reddit. I’m not putting up with this noise.
Don’t forget they also planned on blocking NSFW and other posts as well from any 3rd parties.
3rd party apps came before the official app - in fact didn’t the official app start out as a 3rd-party app before it was acquired by Reddit?
Yup, Alien Blue was acquired by the Snoo Platform, Inc. and swiftly killed.
But, hey they shifted the hue of the AB logo from blue to orange and yet the official app is a dogshit compared to the AB.
Style and substance only, not proper function.
Yup, they bought it just to scrap it and write whatever the hell the current app is.
Oh, that’s rich. The API was created for third party access. And if he didn’t like it, why was it tolerated for so long? Hmmm…maybe because they brought in more users and their data to fatten the pig before IPO?
Absurd stance to take, but that’s why we’re here and not there after all.
Oh, well, that makes it ok then. Everybody back to Reddit!
It might have been closer to okay compared to how it feels currently if he would have just said that from the start instead of “we want to work with anyone willing to work with us”.
By the looks of it, it was never designed to support first party apps either.
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Oof
new.reddit is horrendous.
Lack of CSS support, performance issues, and ugly mess of a gigantic proportion by the Snoo Platform, Inc.
Damn, bro really just essentially said “get fucked”. He also in essence admitted in the interview that the intention was to kill off certain third party apps, saying they provide little to no value to the platform.
I really think the root problem here is that we’re building communities on private platforms owned by for profit corporations. The intention is to make money off your interactions, and to an extent how you have them. Instead of providing you with a service, you become the service. A commodity to be sold to advertisers and whatever nonsense they can get you to look at on their platforms.
This is why ActivityPub is important. You (mostly) don’t see this kind of fuck shit happening with SMTP, instead they just couple services in with your email (O365, G Suite). Communicating and connecting with other people shouldn’t be a business venture, and I hope social media continues to become increasingly unprofitable for these companies.
saying they provide little to no value to the platform.
Time will tell. I will no longer contribute without RiF, so the question isn’t whether RiF provides value to Reddit but whether I do.
My Karma says I do.
Let it go, overwrite your content and leave reddit.
What website is it that does that?
This is the one I’ve seen most.
From this article:
While the company does “respect the community’s right to protest” and pledges that it won’t force communities to reopen, Reddit also suggests there’s no need for that; more than 80 percent of the top 5,000 communities by daily active users are now open
Meanwhile from https://www.macrumors.com/2023/06/15/reddit-threatens-to-remove-subreddit-moderators/
If a moderator team unanimously decides to stop moderating, we will invite new, active moderators to keep these spaces open and accessible to users. If there is no consensus, but at least one mod wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team.
So after saying for weeks, if not months, that the new pricing wasn’t designed to kill third-party apps, he’s now saying the exact opposite? And thus admitting that Reddit lied to its community for the whole?
Please, can someone give to this dude any PR training? Even the bare minimum would be an improvement at this point.
At this point, he needs “stfu training”.
I’m no PR expert but that would definitely be an improvement compared to where he’s at.
He’s so bad at this that I can’t help but believe he’s actually trying to kill Reddit.
Napoléon said something of the like “don’t attribute to malice when it’s incompetence instead”.
(your point is good, I going to be That Guy and mention that’s Hanlon’s Razor. And while a lot of people have made some similar quotes, Napoleon wasn’t one of them as far as we know)
There is no worse enemy than an friendly idiot
I think he just doesn’t care about any backlash at this point.
I worked for Microsoft for many years and the fact is many companies’ marketing and PR departments think their customers are morons. Or perhaps it’s that they think their customers don’t mind being treated like morons.
The shit they would send flowing down the pipeline that we were supposed to say to our customers just blew me away. “You know our customers aren’t STUPID right? I can’t talk to them like they’re stupid or they’ll escort me off premises.”
