While most of the people here upset and rightfully so, we have got to move past the angst to actually build this place out.
We have to recreate the environment and communities we’ve created on on Reddit here, so that people don’t feel like they’re missing out being on kbin.
That way, the next time Spez goes full Elon, we already have everything in place to make the jump.
I help run r/MMA on Reddit. We aggregate news as well as bringing on MMA figures for AMAs.
We, like many other magazines here, will need a way to quickly aggregate breaking news onto our magazine, and the easiest way to do that is going to be through a bot that mirrors submissions to our subreddit.
At least for the mags that rely on breaking news, if we implement this at scale, the end user wont be missing much by migrating over here if they get all the same great breaking news.
Do we have any bot builders in the house who could take this on as a project?
We would be leveraging Reddit’s own userbase at scale to better kbin, and eventually beat them in the long run. That’s the biggest L we could ever deal them.
EDIT: WASN’T SURE THIS WAS GONNA BLOW UP. IVE MADE https://kbin.social/m/BotIt FOR DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU’RE INTERESTED AND CAN HELP OR JUST WANT TO FOLLOW THE PROJECT, COME ON OVER. THANKS.
The best thing we can do is be active here. Make the effort to get involved, post , report idiots and be civil. This goes beyond reddit, it is about getting out from under the thumb of corporate control. We can’t have free expression if the narritive is being controlled.
100% agree
our social media sites need to be open source and decentralized. any other way will lead to the slow inevitable march of enshittification
Also we have networks here we can draw upon, devs , artists , folks who make videos, people who write, etc we can. Ask them for help to create videos and promotional material to quickly explain the fediverse in a simple and concise way.
Kbin needs quite a few UX improvements, speaking as a designer/photographer
I don’t know anything about development though
I like your idea :) Has anyone contacted the 3rd party app developers to see if they want to make any apps or bot scripts for this fediverse?
It’s trivially easy, but you’d be pulling in a lot of noise along with the signal, creating more moderation headaches for yourself (think of all the low-effort and spam stuff you usually have to filter out). You’d be better off scraping the content you want from primary sources directly rather than mirroring every post that goes to your old forum.
RSS would do the job
https://kbin.social/m/BotIt made this to figure it out
You raise a good point. Little overhead, the endpoints are well-formatted, you can get a digest of articles in one blow without API keys, and you just need to parse the resulting XML.
I think the key is you don’t actually mirror every single post, just posts that meet specific guidelines like so many upvoted and no self posts or reddit images
That seems reasonable, although there is no telling what a highly voted post might constitute under new management (is that too paranoid?). I’d personally take a scrap and build approach here, or at least manually approve the incoming results (hybrid approach) if they’re being delayed anyway due to waiting on vote generation.
I’ve thought about it, but I’m not sure if it’s legally allowed or if reddit dmcas you. Would be down to join the effort, it shouldn’t be impossible. But compute heavy.
Just don’t index the reddit self posts or images hosted on reddit. They can’t tell us not to index links to other people’s websites.
There’s no way to enforce that. Bots can change IP address and not all instances have a dmca page.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but even working a full time mid-career corporate job, I think I can make time for both. It doesn’t have to be either-or.
Agreed, I‘m actually on somewhat of an upvoting and commenting spree and creating accounts on all sorts of instances. I know I can move around too, but with defederating being a thing I prefer multiple accounts. Kbin so far visually is the nicest to me and it loads super fast!
I think it’s mainly about introducing new users to the fediverse and making it easier to understand, I’m glad I found out about this stuff and am happy to learn more.
I think it is for a lot of magazines, however our magazine and subreddit requires timely news to really get going.
Agreed about the mirror of posts. Even if the engagement isn’t as high yet, if people at least feel they can get the rough news feed they are used to, they’ll more likely jump over
If you want an even dirtier approach, you’d make a browser extension that scrapes reddit as your browse it and forwards links you upvote to kbin / lemmy or whatever. This has the benefit of being indistinguishable from regular browser traffic as far as reddit is concerned so they won’t notice.
@BasicallyClean It’s an interesting take on how to accellerate a migration. And I hope to see it work and for kbin to grow.
Thank you!
Mirroring would be trivial, but you’d have to either scrape content yourself or pay for the API (soon)
Fully agree with every word.
Ah it seems I wasn’t the only one who thought about this - https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/38958/Bot-that-will-repost-reddit-content-to-kbin-fediverse#entry-comment-159480 !!! Fully support this idea, will join the magazine and see how I can contribute to mirroring content from Reddit to Kbin.
Yep it was my 2nd ever post on here from a week ago: https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/10949/Could-Someone-Build-a-Bot-that-Mirrors-Subreddit-Submissions#comments
Glad this one took off and we can hopefully build this. Fingers crossed.
Devs (like me) can help, the main issue is hosting the bot somewhere and covering the costs, but I think is a good idea.
Maybe create a magazine for it to get some additional support? I could edit the top post.
I will take a look at the technical side, I want to know how easy it is to make something like this. I won’t make promises but if manage to get something working I’ll let you know.
I don’t think basic scraping will be particularly difficult, especially if the rates are kept low. While I also don’t think it’s actually the right way forward, I’ll happily help out.
The API prices are high, but maybe it can be done with just one or two calls, which would make it almost nothing. Of course, the API might just disappear one day.
Fuck the API, scrape the HTML from old.reddit.com for free
https://kbin.social/m/BotIt if you would be willing to help
If Reddit has proven anything as of late, they’re unreliable as a partner.
I’m clearly not a developer but would have reservations in relying on the API just for how erratic they are.
Nah, I mean more that I think relying on people to just post stuff themselves would be better for the community. But scraping would be the way forward, relying on the API would be prohibitively expensive IMO.
You think using the api is better? I’ll take a look at it
No, no, I think it would ultimately be better to rely on people to post stuff. But scraping links would be better than using the API.
Even if it was just the top upvoted link post per sub each day, that would give a lot of content here to get started and make communities (or magazines kbin parlance) look alive. Once people start posting on their own it won’t be needed anymore.
Pro Tip:
instead of linking to magazines with their links, do it something like this:
@BotIt@kbin.social
@BotItThis way no matter what server you’re viewing from, you’ll stay logged in.
You can get VPS’s for like $30 a year these days.
I keep hearing this but all the VPS solutions I find cost an arm + leg. What VPS solutions cost $30/year?
Vultr has VPSs starting at $2.50/mo ($30/yr)
I also commonly find links to really cheap servers on nerdvittles.com
Example:
https://my.racknerd.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=735
$13/mo
What are the decentralized p2p storage options for hosting bots, would decentralized hosting and storage options be a viable solution?
I made https://kbin.social/m/BotIt for us to congregate