in what ways do you think kbin should strive to be different from Reddit?
Visible Upvotes. Hear me out. Upvotes much like Facebook/Instagram/Twitter Likes tickle the reward center of our brains and trigger the dopamine response. This in turns incentivizes users behavior more towards “validation seeking” types of behavior, such as DAE/AmITheAsshole/TIL pandering to commonly held beliefs, calls outs (legitimate or questionable), trauma dumping, etc. Whether we like it or not, the mechanics of social media websites/apps influence our behavior, sometimes we are not even aware our or other’s behavior is being coerced by these sites. The fewer dopamine-rewarding features that Kbin/Lemmy has, the more we can focus on the content.
Today I gathered my kids and escaped my physically abusive spouse, who often locked us in cages and sprayed us with piss and detergent. AITA? 🙃
NTA
I hope kbin never implements fuzzy votes or shadowbanning.
If you have a system of upvotes and downvotes, don’t falsify the numbers. If you ban users, don’t pretend they aren’t banned.
Agreed, Shadowbanning is ridiculous, and fudging numbers defeats the point of the numbers existing.
The purpose of the fuzzy voting was to make it harder to game with bots.
I have no idea how effective it was at achieving this but that’s the reason.
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Shadowbanning. Either outright ban someone and let the community know why, or don’t. That’s it! Transparency and honesty are the way to go. Arguably this is more of a moderator/admin morality issue than anything else, but still.
This I disagree, I believe it’s useful to let trolls and spam bots talking to themselves, alerting of a ban will only make them to take measures to circumvent the block. The problem would be mod abuse, not the tool.
Unfortunately shadowbanning is a very useful feature against spambots, so it will probably be implemented in the fediverse as well.
Yeah, unfortunately the good outweighs the bad in regards to this I think.
Any ban should be transparent to the users.
Vulcan was a victim of the Snoo Shadowbans, apparently due to usage of VPN services.
decision to IPO which tend to treat users as items to sell
My thing about them wanting ipo is that it makes no sense to me. I don’t for a second believe it is a want for the good of the site. An ipo isn’t gonna actually make them profit.
If they just wanted to make the company profitable, just do that and stay private.
Sure, they could be running out of burnable funds. That could be why they want the injection. But if there plan was to get profitable then do an ipo, why bother with step 2. Go straight to step 3, profit.
When you buy shares in a company, that money doesn’t just disappear until you sell your shares again-- it goes to the company you bought shares in. That was the original idea of the stock market: it was supposed to be a way for companies to basically crowdfund their business ventures by selling shares. The idea was they could use the money they raised by selling stocks to invest in the company so it could become profitable on its own, then they’d reward the stockholders for helping them by giving them a share of the profits.
So in other words, reddit is so desperate to IPO because now that the VC money is running dry, selling shares is their only option left to raise a ton of money fast. They’re hoping that will buy them more time to figure out how to become profitable on their own. (Or at least delay that time until Spez can abandon the company with his multi-million dollar golden parachute, leaving some other poor shmuck to deal with the inevitable bankruptcy.)
Karma scores - on an account level at least. Up/down votes on a post or comment are fine and make sense, pushing bad replies down and the best, most thoughtful stuff to the top.
But a system where accounts can build up a karma/reputation score just leads to karma whoring comments just intended to gain upvotes and adding little to the conversation. Or worse, repost bots just reposting whatever was popular last week to gain karma. Reddit’s been plagued with it for years and it just makes the whole place seem spammy and low quality.
Reddit Karma exists to get a score of 1000000, at which point the account is worth serious money on the black market. With a Karma of 1000000, all banned subs and moderated/deleted content is visible. It’s the world’s biggest CP operation operating in plain sight. Always has had that reputation, but nothing ever changed.
Exactly. Comments and posts/threads should have up and down votes, but those should not accumulate on an account like Karma does.
It gets people used to the idea that the more points a person has, clearly the better quality their account must be, when in reality Karma could be easily accumulated by exploiting lurkers with cute animal photos or generic/milquetoast opinion pieces literally nobody could disagree with.
Edit: milquetoast not milktoast
milquetoast
Fair. TIL
Anything they force upon you in new Reddit. Compare old to new, and you see that the same amount of page nets you a third of the content. So much bloat. Profile pictures are nice, tags and flairs are nice, but any of the crap they introduced to make things more like Facebook and Twitter can go right in the bin.
I am glad we have normal text formatting here.
Return, means, new line!!!
Also, it’s nice to be away from so many useless unhelpful bots. If I wanted to post a Wikipedia synapses, I would have.Chat feature, reddit snoo avatar crap, overdoing it with hundreds of different pointless awards, and inline gifs. (yes I know you can put in images but so far everyone is using them sparingly, and even then i think kbin’s UI can handle them better than reddit did).
I liked the idea is having awards or little extras that you can award to posts you’re keen on, but what I didn’t like was that Reddit profited from it
Something like that here might actually be useful as the money could act as donations for the devs to pay for their time / server fees. At least in that way people are getting something small but contributing.
I personally liked the gold-silver awards, but felt like adding million award options really cluttered the UI. But I agree it’s a great way to get some money for server hosting.
If it were a way to actively support the site/servers, I wouldn’t mind. This site won’t continue very long without some way to pay for it
This is the thing;
I don’t mind to pay for services, I don’t mind to pay for extra’s as long as the money goes to the people doing the work and the people doing the work increase or maintain the user experience of said service.
The whole “you just want free stuff” people were shouting on Reddit is a bunch of balony.
- Hosting costs money
- Infrastructure costs money
- Developing costs money
- Maintenance costs money
All the above also costs time.
So of course it is okay for people to donate or have some monetization possibilities to keep the lights on and getting paid for the work they do so they can make a full time living from it or use it as a part time gig.
But there is still a difference size rift between the above and trying to monetize every single thing from your platform/user base just because of greed.
I can see that working well as long as awards don’t affect the placement of comments and posts. Have it just show a icon next to the comment or post like a reaction.
If magazines can have custom award icons that’d add some charm to the feature.Maybe emoji reactions, calckey, and a few other 'verse services have it
Well, there is this:
https://kbin.social/awardsDoesn’t seem to be an active feature right now though.
Those look more like Reddit’s trophies
This functionality is more of an ‘achievments’ than ‘awards’ and is exactly the same as on old version of wykop.pl which kbin interface is mostly based on.
Those are more like Reddit trophies, Reddit awards are the little stickers next to posts and comments (like “Reddit Gold” and “Wholesome”) that users pay to add to comments. It would be interesting to see how awards and payments work with federation.
I don’t like the awards but I like the idea of tipping - in a private and indirectly helpful way. Specifically, being able to send a small, “that was awesome” note to the poster but directing the money to the poster’s instance. The problem is that I expect it to be corrupted and monetize servers/instances to generate revenue rather than simply defray costs, which would be a net negative for the fediverse overall.
In the end i think payment for content in any form will imbalance the system. I’ve already donated to one of my two instances and will do so for the second if the owner starts allowing it (they’re currently not accepting any donations). We should all be responsible enough and just let our upvotes be upvotes.
I know it’s going to happen anyways but automod. I don’t need a fucking DM because I subscribed, automatic replies or any of that stupid garbage. The worst part is you can’t block automod from messaging you either. Nobody uses that shit for anything actually useful, or at least those features of it.
An automod which deletes comments with words that are not allowed with zero human review.
I ran into issues using words like “kill” for example, which I understand isn‘t good in the context of calling for violence and should then be modded, but I only used it in a way that should be accepted. Like reacting to a headline which is about people being killed by a government, I should be able to use the word kill in a sentence that criticises that.
Probably why this stupid word unalive now exists is how common it seems to be to censor the word kill entirely, like… sure, you don‘t want people to incite violence or talk about hurting themselves, that’s reasonable—but it ain‘t going to happen by making a word a taboo!
People just make up new words to say the same thing or use framings like “an action which ends a life” etc so hopefully if this stays small we can have actual human decisions which include context when it comes to censoring.
I understand not liking overzealous filters but I would like a feature to allow blacklisting words in magazines, otherwise you’re going to get people shouting slurs at others and getting away with it until a moderator comes to clean it up.
Probably why this stupid word unalive now exists
IIRC that specifically came from TikTok, rather than Reddit.
Oh man this was the worst. Even game subs like Call of Duty the mods would not allow anyone to talk about Skill Based Matchmaking (SBMM) so they just auto-modded every single thread about it. These same mods pretty much run every CoD sub so they were all unfortunately power-tripped the same way. If a community is upset about something they should be able to speak their mind, not hide it all because it might look bad for a company.
What a weird rule. What was their justification?
That had nothing to do with Reddit, reddit never censored that word. The mods of that sub would have set that up.
Well the automod message said they had set it up that way on account of the admins telling them to or get the sub banned.
Either way, as far as I understand the fediverse that can‘t happen here, if an instance turns too restrictive for my tastes I can move on and there is no overarching admin who would ban the instance out of existence, it would just get defederated.
So for example if kbin bans the word kill and instructs an automod to delete all comments that contain it and I get annoyed by that, I could make my own version of kbin or join some other version where we can still say it.
Sounds like they’re just making excuses. The admins came out and said that encouraging or supporting violence/death was bannable and could lead to subs being quarantined. They never said they had to filter the word kill. Plenty of subs have the word kill appearing in comments every day.
All those god damn awards & animations that came with the redesign. It’s nothing but bloat & distracting.
I don’t want gold coins, snoovatars, chat rooms, and any of the nonsense that they created over the past 5 years.
Someone needs to open Kbin’s settings, go to ‘Psycho CEO’ and set it to ‘Off.’
