Humanitarian agencies say women and menstruating people are also facing alarming rates of severe infections due to Israel’s blockade of supplies and water.

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    Sure. How do you prove that what IDF is doing is collective punishment instead of warfare against terrorists?

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      Those are not even close to being mutually exclusive. The IDF is obviously and openly conducting collective punishment on all of Gaza ostensibly as a means of fighting terrorists. The IDF won’t stop until Hamas is gone and if that means killing every child in Gaza then I’m sure they’ll be glad to know you’re here justifying it.

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        The IDF is obviously and openly conducting collective punishment on all of Gaza ostensibly as a means of fighting terrorists.

        How do you claim to “obviously” know that?

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          By having literally any awareness of reality? Ordering an evacuation of a whole area because you’re going to bomb it (even if you know for sure there are terrorists there) is by definition collective punishment. The only counter argument to this is to prove that every single person in that area is a legitimate target.

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            By having literally any awareness of reality?

            You wouldn’t believe the sort of things I’ve heard being justified by starting a claim with “if you don’t see this you must be an idiot”. But it’s still not proof or even evidence of any kind.

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              It literally is. If I order your whole block to evacuate their homes because I want to blow up a meth lab 3 doors down from you, I am engaging in collective punishment. It’s literally what words mean.

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                Forget the fact that countless international organizations warned the time frame was unrealistic for evacuating civilians. Impossible, even.

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                If I order your whole block to evacuate their homes because I want to blow up a meth lab 3 doors down from you, I am engaging in collective punishment. It’s literally what words mean.

                What you describe is an active attempt to protect innocent lives from a violent operation. It’s the opposite of punishment.

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                  TIL being forced from your homes and having them bombed isn’t punishment. Twist those words more brah. I guess I can tell you to leave, then blow up your house and I’d be doing you a favor? And if you don’t like it and stay then your death is your fault.

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              What reasons? I don’t think it’s impossible, it’s what needs to be done, so we better figure out a way to do it.

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                  Maybe we should let the Houthis figure it out. If the rest of the world does nothing, they, backed by Iran and Russia won’t stop, which is objectively worse for everyone.

                  I hope this clears up why your idea is completely unrealistic. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

                  This destroys discourse. I don’t want to deal with your condescension, so I wrote one paragraph instead of several. We could have talked things out, and who knows, you might have convinced me or people reading the comments (or you might have refined your own viewpoint), but instead you got in a zinger.