Most people aren’t even thinking of moving to reddit alternatives. Users have a lot of power in this situation. Just move your community to Lemmy or Kbin. It’s not that hard.
It’s similar to playing MMORPGs and then switching to another game. You create an account with a lot of karma that people are proud of, you acquire those avatars and milestones, and you make friends. Then you start in a new place which is not user-friendly as the old one, and you lose everything from your previous account.
Many others, of course, are like me and do not care, but I believe the majority of people do.Never underestimate the power of comfort and convenience. “It’s just too HARD to move!,” people will say. “Everybody I know is here!,” they’ll say. I’ve heard people say this a lot since the social media collapse sparked by Elon Musk. It’s their choice, but I’m not comfortable staying. Maybe in time they’ll realize that it’s the right time to leave as well.
I think Reddit is a bit unique in the SNS space, since the primary unit of subscription is community (or topic) rather than user, so I think it serves to depersonalize the platform a little bit, and remove some of the power of “Everybody I know is here!”
I second this and have experienced it myself trying to move to privacy-oriented options for online and mobile services.
The reality is people hate change, especially from a platform they already feel comfortable with.
Let me tell you folks, nobody does it better than Reddit, believe me. Nobody. It’s tremendous, really tremendous. People ask me, ‘Why would anyone use anything other than Reddit?’ And I have to say, they’re right. Reddit is so easy to use, even the so-called stupid people covfefe can actually understand it. It’s just tremendous, folks. Nobody does it better than Reddit.
I don’t know if I can trust you. Some folks say you can’t even suck dick well. That your bad at it.
There are many reasons, ranging from not wanting to leave already established communities, Lemmy and Kbin aren’t quite as robust as Reddit is yet, and a lot of people just frankly don’t care enough to switch. Plus the lack of a mobile for Kbin doesn’t help.
Just gotta be patient and win people over slowly when they willing to make the jump :) We may see some more once the third-party apps shutdown at the end of the month.
The author of Sync for Reddit (IMHO the best Android Reddit app) just posted that he’s going to create Sync for Lemmy.
There is a mobile app for kbin, though. It’s not great, but it exists. I’m using it right now!
Oh sick! I wasn’t aware one existed yet! What app is it?
Which app are you using??
Yeah just type Kbin into the Play Store
don’t leave us hanging. How do you get this app?
If you’re on iOS, you can do “share > add to Home Screen > add” to get a make-shift app. If you go this route, you’ll find that you’re lacking navigation arrows to go back. Just swipe the left of the screen to go back.
Alternatively, there’s a beta app called Memmy if you don’t mind beta.
I tried searching the app store, and could’nt find anything called memmy. Is it a Test Flight app?
Want to start off by saying I love lemmy and I know it’s not perfect but things will get better. There are many people though that don’t have a high tolerance for bugs. The bug with browsing the All page would probably turn many off. Instances also might be too confusing for some people and they would rather turn back to what is most familiar. I’ll admit that I still am a little bit confused about how instances work but I’d rather put more effort into learning about this platform, contributing to conversation to help grow the platform, etc. Not many users would want to put that effort in though because they seek something easy, familiar and maybe mindless to pass time.
Im not sure how much I want people to leave reddit. There was a lot of garbage users and bots and such. Even if all actual individuals left reddit the corpo, bot, other things from some organization elements I bet would be a fairly large populace.
I would prefer if only those who wants to leave reddit left. That this would be an option only for those who are prepared to migrate, and not the redditor who likes their new UI and their official app. I think this place might be the wrong place for them. At this point Lemmy gives me the feeling of a web forum, which in all fairness is pretty cool tech wise (I really like the federated part) but also more or less just a web forum. I can’t imagine what kind of negative experience the average redditor would have here…
“It doesn’t look like reddit” “What are communities?” “Where are all the people?” Etcetera.
Which is fair, I think Fediverse has a bit of growing to do still. That being said, I can live without that kind of content here, and I’d rather have more quality over quantity here. That’s just me though, I’m looking forward to seeing where this place ends up.
The answer can be many things if you go into detail but the summary is change is hard.
Well, after what happened with /r/MildlyInteresting and others, more of us have are starting to feel as if Reddit, the company, has metaphorically declared a wanna-be “war” on the mods. Toss in the statements by Spez the other day about users, who gave the company loads of data for free, somehow being wrong to expect a certain degree of reciprocity and, I might expect a certain increase in migration rates. After all, I am now here. (Hello!)
We’re early adopters. Early adopters have a higher tolerance for (and ability to deal with) things like bugs, confusing UI, uncertainty, and probably continual change for the short term.
But hey, someone’s gotta do it. The end result of this will be an established community and a more polished product. Over time, more and more people will show up as this place gets better and better, and Reddit continues to worsen. (Everyone knows that old.reddit is going away, it’s just a matter of when.)
Yup, as an early adopter (and someone who loves bleeding edge thing), Vulcan can tolerate the lack of features at Kbin (and Lemmy).
Trying to convince some friends, and they complained about lack of activity in #threadiverse. Alright then, we can use this momentum to build and grow #threadiverse to be as competitive as the Snoo Platform.
Yep, Reddit will be a dumpster-fire even more. Probably worse when old reddit goes away. right now old reddit its living on borrowed time!
yeah when the api thing happened I assumed old reddit was on borrowed time. So many folks where complaining of the jesus gets us ads that I never noticed.
They’ve already started removing mods from subreddit
The Snoo Platform is currently a chaotic mess, with purge of moderators being shown publicly…
The decline is happening really fast. They’re in a race with Twitter to see which one can die sooner.
We’re early adopters. Early adopters have a higher tolerance for (and ability to deal with) things like bugs, confusing UI, uncertainty, and probably continual change for the short term.
Not to mention, a lack of content. While it’s populating nicely it’s still not like Reddit, especially for niche subjects. You definitely have to endure a lot of shouting in the wind situations while this builds up.
Yeah, I’ve certainly found myself subscribing to any and every magazine that looks even remotely like it could be interesting. Getting inundated isn’t a problem around these parts just yet. But the volume definitely has gone up recently.
I hope we get a way to easily access our followed list or like shortcuts like RES. Can sub to a lot and just shortcut the ones I really want to check out on their own.
I still am struggling with how to sub to a magazine. Poor guy running this needs a bit of help with ui so stupid people like myself can enjoy it
It seems almost exactly the same as the view from old reddit. right hand side sidebar with a box that says subscribe until you hit it and then it turns into unsubscribe. The only difference I see is the subs are consistent so like in reddit it was not consistantly in the same location but here it is.
The way I’ve found it (on kbin) is that there’s a column on the right-hand side of comment thread pages. One of the boxes in the right-hand column is labeled “Magazine” and there should be a black button that’s labeled “Subscribe” somewhere.
It’s genuinely hard and needs to be improved. Subscribing to a magazine that someone else on kbin has subscribed to already isn’t too bad. Go to the magazine (eg, click what looks like the subreddit name in the post) and scroll alllll the way down and there’ll be a subscribe button.
But if nobody has subscribed yet in the instance, it’s hilariously hard. You have to search in the general search (not the magazine search) for specifically “magazine@domain.com” and you should see a subscribe button then. You will not content in that magazine that existed before you subscribed. If that sounds terrible, it’s because it is. Thankfully, most of the time, you won’t be the first to subscribe to a magazine and thus can just use the magazine search or browse the front page to see posts.
PS: the subscribe option is also as the bottom of each thread. So you can alternatively just open a thread in the magazine instead of the magazine itself.
PPS: I’ve mentioned the subscribe button being at the bottom because that’s the placement on mobile and I think many of us are on mobile. On desktop, it’s in the sidebar.
thanks for the PPS as im on a laptop. I thought you were being dramatic at first as I was like. oh its not that far down. One scroll with my low rez screen. Im a smartphone luddite myself.
That’s the one thing that bugs me, federation should be automated, why does it need for someone to try to pull a community first before that starts? It should be like Usenet or DNS and self-propagate.
It’s probably a resource management issue. No need to sync with servers that nobody is reading yet, it just wastes bandwidth and CPU time.
For mobile kbin users, you can tap the top left burger menu and scroll down just a little bit to subscribe to a magazine, instead of scroll past all the comments. The burger menu is just the side bar on desktop.
Also historic threads that probably will never be feasible to create anymore. Eg, I loved to read TV show episode discussions right after I watched the episode. That includes for older shows. As long as it didn’t predate reddit, basically every notable show had a decent sized thread for every single episode. But a lot of those were only able to take off because they were created when the episode aired. Rewatches don’t get the same kinda discussion.
Yep. The battletech comunity on reddit is like 45k subscribers and stays active. Kbin’s /m/battletech has 56 subscribers. There are 5 threads. It’s gonna be quite a while before niche communities actually have any momentum.
Well damn, thanks for talking about it, another community to sub to!
Time to find a Shadowrun one as well.
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Hah, yea, you’d think so too right? If I still can’t find one I’ll go create it. Again, like with BT, I’m not sure what I can contribute, haven’t played a game since 4th Ed Anniversary. I do have a copy of Anarchy that I got cheap since I was curious, but I haven’t read it yet.
I think a lot of my reddit usage boils down to searches.
“Best pregnancy lotion reddit”
“Bed gouging ender 3 pro reddit”
“Submarine disaster askhistorians”
Are the main ways I used reddit this week.
Before all the drama I had pointed to many friends that most discourse and live interaction on my regular subreddits had already moved to discord. The unified ui and functioning search make it more useful.
Before all the drama I had pointed to many friends that most discourse and live interaction on my regular subreddits had already moved to discord. The unified ui and functioning search make it more useful.
But discoverability is zero for that content. discord is “deep web” which is not indexable at all by search engines.
for me discord is just not organized. There is no way im scrolling up on conversations when I have not been on for three days much less a week. I think discord only works if you are looking to be on social media all the time or at least daily.
Agree. No matter what discord is still essentially just a chat room imo. Even with bots, read only channels, pinned messages, etc., navigating and searching for stuff that I want is still as painful as any other instant messaging services.
Yeah, and just googling something will be completely useless with a project named after a famous rock musician.
„How to upload pictures lemmy“, yes, thank you google, I know how Lemmy Kilmister looks, thank you.
That’s (among other things) why I hope kbin will be the victor of that race…
although, I’m sure, google results will adjust accordingly eventually.
If I’m not wrong, kbin right now isn’t allowing for web crawlers. So using kbin for searches like for Reddit isn’t possible for now as well.
im not sure I want a victor or even see a race as long as the federation survives we all win.
Personally I was getting a bit tired of not having one of my interests here so I created the magazine for it. We’ll just see if it takes off.
For some other niche interests…I’ll wait and see, I don’t feel invested enough to create the magazines for them.(For those interested in vegetable gardening @VegetableGardening )
Admittedly, I am only a casual user of Reddit (or I should say was). Seeing all this happen over the past few weeks, I have come to realize just how crazy moderation can be in a forum like this or Reddit.
Seeing everyone come together and log issues, problems, work on iOS and Android app accessibility for kbin and lemmy is phenomenal…an eye opener. It’s an exciting moment for sure, and the collaboration between everyone is humbling.
300% this. People like us can navigate our way through all those drawbacks, but are deal-breakers for people like mom who lurk Reddit from time to time.
You can make the same comment between Facebook being 'easier" than Reddit. Or forums being easier than IRC.
A natural order is as user mass increases, ease of use improves. I think it’s fine to acknowledge the challenges while continuing to spread the message and leveraging early adopter influence with folks comfortable doing some reading to understand vs a casual “mom” internet user that needs a very safe, templated app experience without many (or any) customization options.
I got reminded of IRC a bit ago, wonder if that’s gonna get a resurgence. I was thinking maybe something like lemmy/kbin with a built in IRC like how kbin has the microblogs.
In the workspace Slack is very big and is very analogous to a supremely polished IRC. Discord outside of professional workspaces is similar, though a bit more detached.
To me, these are the mass market evolutions of IRC from back in the day.
Yeah, the trigger event that basically started all this was reddit deciding they don’t want third party apps anymore (and people not wanting to use reddit’s app). Well, there isn’t much for apps here either.
Also, the network effect is still in play. Despite the fact I’m using this fully for all my posting, I still searched for reddit threads when I finished Tears of the Kingdom, because I wanted to read people’s thoughts on various topics and those reddit threads already existed. Kbin and Lemmy threads don’t yet exist in the large enough numbers for the various topics I was searching for (like if other people thought the sky islands felt too copy-paste or what people thought the lore of the depths were or how many people did the story out of order). I know I can make discussions here, but at the time I just wanted to read existing discussions. It’s gonna take some time for the Fediverse to catch up to that.
I got into reddit about ten years ago … I wasn’t part of the first wave but back then it felt like the site was new and things were happening. Then it just slowly devolved into what it is now
I really don’t mind the change as it just gives me a new perspective on things and people … change is good … any time we are caught standing still, we always seem to lose something, especially in the digital world.
Same here, ten years ago, Vulcan also discovered Reddit and later hop into it.
Out of all the social platforms, Reddit is probably the easiest to copy. The moderation was all handled by users in the first place, and I don’t think Reddit employees are as needed as Twitter or Facebook.
Reddit is just shooting itself in the foot right now. I understand the need to make money, and I can understand the API becoming a revenue stream. They just handled it so poorly. There were tons of ways to open a dialogue with app devs about charging them. They could have made their users move to a subscription model. I just don’t get it.
This is my first comment on kbin!
Yeah, spez has really shot the golden goose (the free engaged moderation staff).
And welcome!
Yeah, this is my feeling. I was willing to put up with kbin.social using Cloudflare and being slow as all else, plus the random site breakages, and there not being an app - but a lot of folks I know wouldn’t be, especially the ones who couldn’t be bothered to figure out how to pick an instance for Mastodon to leave Twitter. Not to mention that right now, people have too many choices and don’t know what’s actually going to take over. They’ll wait until there’s a critical mass at one of the many Reddit alternative sites.
Most folks go where the other people are. We have to make the fediverse into the place where people want to come, and then this will be the place where people are.
But hey, someone’s gotta do it
When the going gets tough, the tough get going
Step 1 have you tried to understand? Can you not create a list of plausible reasons? I bet you can
Inertia is the most powerful force in the universe…of human psychology.
I think kbin/Lemmy is already showing promise as a community gathering-place, but it’s nowhere near useable for being a repository of knowledge like Reddit is - if you want to know how to download videos from an obscure local streaming platform in a small country, hear experiences of doctors treating a specific chronic condition, or find answers to a highly specific scientific question, a quick search with
site:reddit.comwould usually give you the answer, and if you didn’t there would usually be a relevant sub with someone knowledgeable in the field.It’s going to take many years for kbin/Lemmy to reach this status of a digital Great Library of Alexandria (if at all), and so much information is still going to be lost if Reddit shuts down.
It will take non-early adopters a while. If reddit continues to limp along, there will be people who stick. But I think the real exodus will occur when they IPO. We’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg now, wait until there are shareholders and post IPO ad corporations to placate…
The communities I browse are either small (behavioral science/school) or full of elders who aren’t interested with switching platforms. So that’s a pretty big reason. Some of them have organizations that still have large presences on things like fb. Not having an account hamstrings a persons ability to stay current with professional topics…not great for a lot of fields. Now, this is just my particular instance. But I’ve heard a lot of the same from colleagues and adjacent professions. As for me, my account is deleted and I don’t contribute content meaningfully anymore. Which I suspect is another major downside to all of this, brain drain.
What you just described is literally the hardest thing about social media.
