This is just a short rant and is not meant to insult anyone already on here, or further newcomers that joined, join or will still join. Also reminder that this is based on my experience and not necessarily facts, YMMV.
Anyways, in the last few days I’ve noticed that for some reason, especially on the r/piracy sub (although other subs are of course no exception), that there has been a more positive sentiment towards spez (the CEO of Reddit) and a very negative one against the mods and the protest.
I can understand that a protest which you don’t want to take part in may be a breach of your apathy - though what we protest will sooner or later affect everyone, not just those that want to continue using 3rd party apps. I’m guessing they just don’t (want to) understand. I’m just gonna leave the following quote here do with that what thou wanteth:
“There’s something extremely pathetic about complaining about a problem that only concerns you, but wanting to pull everyone along”
On another note they’re also calling everyone who participates in the protest and or makes a comment about alternatives a “mod bootlicker”. I want to thank OtakuA* and everyone who does what they do for spreading the word, even when bombarded with downvotes which sadly and disappointingly does happen.
What really got me over my shadow to write this rant (and first post actually) though, was the following reply I got, in return for agreeing with someone and calling the people bootlickers:
“You’re shilling for a different company lmfao…pot calling the kettle black…”
I still haven’t figured out what they meant? I don’t want to call myself smart but maybe I’m not stupid enough to understand?
Anyways, I expected nothing but was still majorly disappointed with the people over at r/piracy where I thought they would be most in favor of the protest.
I hope this rant is coherent enough to understand and that some of you get what I’m saying. I’m not looking for solutions personally I just wanted to get this out. If there are grammatical errors I’m sorry English is not my first language and I also didn’t want to read over this post too often otherwise I overthink and delete without posting.
Tl;dr: Admin bootlickers call protesters & supporters “mod bootlickers”, me mad
I hope this post shows up I’m posting from kbin - I also didn’t look if there were other posts about this already because I wanted to say this asap
We’re encountering several little phenomena here.
- Many of the people who were passionate or concerned about this issue are here and elsewhere - but they’re no longer on reddit. The anti-protesters are those who didn’t understand, didn’t care, and are just annoyed that their opium hit is suddenly asking them to give a shit. They’re consumers, and in the absence of those who care, they’ve gotten bolder and a larger proportion of representation on the site. In the ~2 times I have checked in on Reddit, I’ve noticed a drop in comment quality.
- This is a classic Conservative reaction. Not exactly the Donkey/Elephant kind, but that raw conservative instinct endemic to humanity. It’s the fear that change is a zero-sum game, where is people move up, other’s status degrade, or if it doesn’t. that someone will create a new environment that they themselves are less familiar and adept at navigating. Some people are so insecure that they’ll lash out at anyone as long as it makes them just sit still in their chairs, please. These people are fear-driven ghouls, it could have been anything and you’d get a similar reaction.
This is a classic Conservative reaction. Not exactly the Donkey/Elephant kind
I mean it kinda is also that kind. If you look at the post histories of the loudest and most aggressive people who oppose the protests, it’s pretty clear they’re right-leaning ultra-capitalist types. Which is not much of a surprise; since the protests are against Reddit’s efforts to aggressively monetize the site, they’re effectively a protest against the effects of capitalism.
It’s also pretty clear that a lot of the loudest and most aggressive anti-protest types are arriving there from links being posted on right-wing forums - you can see this in the lingo and memes they use, which mostly come from that crowd.
I mean it kinda is also that kind.
I don’t disagree, but I thought it was important to point out that this comes from something deeper than just rank partisanship before something thought I was merely culture-warring.
you can see this in the lingo and memes they use, which mostly come from that crowd.
Yeah I debated touching on this, but didn’t know how as you did. This is the ‘drop in quality’ I was referring to. There’s been a marked uptick in the impotent-anger nihilism talk/memes that characterize the reactionaries, elon-musk dickriders, and crypto-bros. I saw that the two times I was there and decided I wanted none of that swamp.
One of the primary ideas behind capitalism is embracement of competition so in my eyes those who instantly disregard alternatives to Reddit can’t be called ultra-capitalist at all. And I bet there are a lot of ‘types’ of people that stayed there so if possible I would refrain from generalization, though it does seem some of them are complacent, reluctant to accepting change and/or adjusting their habits, which does somewhat correlate with conservatism afaik.
The quality of the comments on this thread is miles better than any conversation I read on reddit. This is so inspiring. I really thought I was bound to that site, but as time goes by I am more and more convinced that this migration might actually be something positive. Yay for options!!!
Only NPCs remain. Nobody with a shred of intelligence or dignity would still use the platform that is acting against their interests and looking to monetize their creative output with no reward.
I agree with the phenomena at play, but have to say that conservatism/liberalism (not the political kind) is not a black and white characteristic. It is much more nuanced than that. A person can be entirely conservative in one ideological area of their life, and entirely liberal in another. Eg. (this example may be using the political sense just for illustration) Someone may be entirely fiscally conservative with their money, but entirely socially liberal with their social mores (very open-minded sexually, etc). Or vise-versa, or any other combination thereof.
The way that we as humans tend to group people into black and white, dualistic groups is not only destructive to the human race, it’s inaccurate. Humans are not dualistic, black and white beings. Everyone’s characteristics and beliefs are a smattering of many different aspects, all presenting/leaning in conservative or liberal, one way or the other. But very few people fit into the category where everything they believe is conservative, or liberal. Most people are a complex combination. Trying to oversimplify it into two categories is a creation of political and media narratives that keeps people divided and powerless to greater interests, and hating each other. Humans are much more complex than that. We all have many liberal and conservative aspects, masculine and feminine aspects, etc.
Of course, every four years in November, they use the best tactics they can through our screens to make sure we fully pledge our loyalty to one of those two categories.
Preach! Such as it is in every democracy. You ever wonder why they do it? An attempt to convince you that there’s only 2 parties. To break real democracy. Vote for the freaks. Freak power!
Reddit is full of contrarians. A lot of the smaller subreddits in particular likes to be contrarian to anything they saw as mainstream Reddit
Also, the people who are really pissed at Reddit probably have left so the remaining population has a larger proportion of people who don’t care or even support what Reddit does.
Finally, let’s be honest /r/piracy was dominated by casual pirates at best as shown by the posts and comments “what’s a seeder” “what’s Usenet” “OMG Rarbg down what do I do”. So they’re not hardcore pirates with a dedication to piracy/warez ethos just casuals looking for links and shit
They’re not even contrarian they’re just ignorant and they love it. You can present them facts all day long and they just never learn or at least try to understand. I didn’t even bother replying to the people that replied to me on that comment thread I mentioned because it’s just a waste of time.
Second point is true for the most part most people that would leave of course have already left either abstaining from social media (or at least Reddit) or coming over here.
I will never understand the people that support what Reddit does though I actually do not see the downside to protesting for the greater good aside of not being able to chow down on repost fodder for a while until Reddit gets their act together. They’re actively hurting themselves, I’m very sure that the loss of 3rd party apps sooner or later will have an effect on even the people that dare use the official app (If Reddit has a monopoly of Reddit apps why should they waste their resources improving that app).
I’m very sure that the loss of 3rd party apps sooner or later will have an effect
I’m probably one of the minority that uses a browser on PC. I think the majority use mobile. When their mobile app suddenly stops working end of the month, they’ll be left in the breeze. If they relent to the Reddit app they’ll be in for a disappointment. I expect another surge of sign-ups here at that point. There’s no sign of any reprieve from Reddit, Spez is going full Nazi on this thing.
They’re not even contrarian they’re just ignorant and they love it. You can present them facts all day long and they just never learn or at least try to understand. I didn’t even bother replying to the people that replied to me on that comment thread I mentioned because it’s just a waste of time.
I have the same sentiment. Some people don’t want to think, they want to pick a side, get angry and rant or attack anyone that goes against their ‘side’.
I am with you! Reddit fans are pathetic.
They don’t understand they are giving away their data so a selected few can profit from it.
Huh. This is kinda weird… but I think I’m done protesting Reddit. It’s not that I approve of any changes, but rather… I’m happy here on Lemmy? Protesting would kind of imply that I want to go back to Reddit and I think I might be good here…
As more of us move to Lemmy, the less push back you’ll see on Reddit cuz we’re all over here. I guess that’s expected.
I feel the same way. I’m actually surprised how easy it was too break my Reddit habit and transition over here. So far the communities I’ve joined seem to have a more pleasant crowd than on Reddit. We’ll see how long that lasts 😂
I’m excited to see what happens, a significant amount of knowledge is moving to a much more democratic platform. If the people who can give useful answers to questions are here others will end up moving here to get access to that.
I know that I’m going to make an effort to help make this place worth using.
Anyways, in the last few days I’ve noticed that for some reason, especially on the r/piracy sub (although other subs are of course no exception), that there has been a more positive sentiment towards spez (the CEO of Reddit) and a very negative one against the mods and the protest.
I could swear this is the bot campaign run by Reddit.
They can do whatever they want. I expect to see the quality of the subreddit go down very quickly as the people that made r/piracy worth visiting and ensured the quality have either left or being called mod bootlickers have all either left or will leave. So it’s gonna be fun to watch.
I came here to say the same. Thanks.
Yeah stay chill
I find it hilarious that the link to reddit in the sidebar is tagged “Bootlicker Bay” – genius :)
I went to check. There are 3 new posts and the answers to questions are so lame LOL… I refuse to answer questions over there with any value…
Meeh, I don’t really care one way or another. As long as the info gets out and to the people, I don’t care much how it got out.
But, I’m a pirate since birth. I haven’t paid for anything digital in my entire life (well… CDs, yes, but only because I respect the bands and just wanted to have the originals, cuz I’m also a collector, and that was years after I alredy had pirated copies), so I’m used to finding my way around this digital playground and getting the info/data I need. This being said, I’m not really on one side or another, but I just love fucking with rich people, lol. So I decided, fuck it, let’s give this thing a try. Turns out it’s a lot better than I thought. Plus, quieter than reddit, not so much noise… which I kinda like to be honest, so… yeah, I’m sticking here. I do have my reddit accounts still active as well, but only because I need them, got some posts shared on the profiles which I would hate to get deleted. So yeah, I’ll be here mostly, but also on reddit from time to time.
The problem is that with the heavy downvoting of the information, the people that would see the messages and be like “Oh yeah that sounds cool I might as well check it out” either won’t see the messages at all ever or they’d only see the negative score and think if everyone downvotes it it must be bad.
That’s also one of the things I like about this platform, is that downvotes are transparent, it shows who downvoted if you know where to look as well as how many downvotes and upvotes a post or comment has instead of the score that Reddit shows.
I also like the “quietness” that we have at the moment, content is more profound and not obliterated with upvotes or downvotes, you have to form your own opinion. Makes interacting more interesting to be honest.
I can also understand not wanting to delete the account, I haven’t deleted mine either yet but mostly since it wouldn’t make too much of a difference anyways with my comments rarely seeing any interaction at all due to drops in the ocean. I will probably delete it though when I stop using Reddit at all in the next month.
Keep in mind they’ve done some pretty underhanded things already, like demodding to force subs open. I wouldn’t put it past them to manipulate rankings to favor pro-Reddit posts. I mean Spez has already shown through Apollogate there’s no level too low.
I’ve heard the audio and read the manuscript. That never sounded like a like a joke to me. He was trying to sell/quiet the app for real, was just testing if they’re willing to do this.
I would try to make $$$ out of it too, since I can see the direction in which this is going, so there’s no Ill feelings there, but IMO, Christian lied, not spez. He wasn’t direct, he was circling around with th expalanation, not being direct at all “bob’s your uncle” 🤨, I mean WTF is that supposed to mean. Nothing was pointed out directly, it was all like “ha ha, I’m only kidding”, but the fact is, if spaz said “when and where”, we wouldn’t be having this converstaion right now.
There’s a bit more to it than just that transcript, I should have linked to the top here; https://gist.github.com/christianselig
I don’t see how that correlates to the converstaion between the two of them. Christian just explains Reddit’s stand on the free vs paid API.
I haven’t been commenting in /r/piracy or reddit for that matter anymore, so if there are large numbers who have taken that attitude it is expected that the voices you’d expect to hear would change as active user demographic changes.
It’s a small minority if you see the upvote/downvote count on comments
Just make positive comments encouraging the move to Lemmy/kbin and it’ll be fine.
I’ve been explaining what’s going on in the comments for the confused people and they’ve mostly been in support.
It’s a provocation, don’t fall 4 it!
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Honestly mate. Ignore reddit. Its full of drama and crap now. Stop going back to look at it, all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire of drama.
i mean, i’m pretty sure the majority of people who are still on reddit are the ones who don’t care about the protests. So this doesn’t surprise me.
How many posters left on the platform do you think are humans, and how many are bots?
Even the humans that remain are NPCs, so it’s just bots all the way down.
