Thereā€™s this rising narrative going around that if you ask specifically for a CIS partner, youā€™re a transphobe. That could be true for some people but itā€™s not fundamentally related to bigotry. Moreover, this narrative, the ā€œif you only want a CIS mate then that is prejudiceā€ is trampling on one of the most important rights a person can have: the right to choose who they want to get intimate with.

First of all, transmen are in fact men and transwomen are in fact women. Letā€™s get that out of the way. This isnā€™t a foot in the door for ā€œtrans this really isnā€™t thatā€ narratives. What this is about it is the freedom to choose who you want to be intimate with. That right is sancrosanct, it is absolutely inviolable.

And yes, thereā€™s plenty of issues that make transgender dating a special issue. If someone reveals their TG status they can be open to hate crimes and even deadly violence. However all marginalized groups are special in their own way. As a black man I donā€™t think itā€™s racist if a woman says she doesnā€™t want to date a black man. I face oppression, too. My class is special in its own way. One group isnā€™t more special than the other. None of us have the right to force ourselves upon those who donā€™t want to be intimate with us, even by omitting who we really are.

Really, if you have to deceive or hide who you are in order to date someone, do you really want to date them? I wouldnā€™t. Thatā€™s not fair to you and youā€™re denying them their right to choose who they want. What do you think will happen when the person wants a CIS mate and they discover the truth? Theyā€™re going to get pissed and dump you. Now you have to shame them into staying with you: ā€œIf you loved me for real this wouldnā€™t bother youā€ā€¦ thatā€™s not going to convince anyone. Theyā€™re either going to leave, or theyā€™ll resent you forever. Thatā€™s just how it is. You can be mad at that but thatā€™s about as effective as protesting the rising of the sun. Thereā€™s just no way to win once youā€™ve gone down that road.

ā€œI want a CIS mateā€ is not the same as ā€œtrans women are not womenā€ - one is a preference, the other is harmful prejudice. On the flip side CIS people who do date trans people shouldnā€™t be shamed for their choices either. A man should be free to date a trans woman and not catch flak about it. Trans people should be able to be openly trans and not face hate speech or threats to their well-being. This, without any exception whatsoever.

The fundamental fact is when you shame or worse abrogate peopleā€™s right to choose who they want to get intimate with, itā€™s not going to end well for you. All youā€™re going to get is people who resent being coerced or bullied to date people they donā€™t want to. And thatā€™s not something the country, or the world, will ever put up with. Except that right now, most people donā€™t imagine they can be labeled a transphobe just for wanting a CIS mate. And unpopular opinion: that should be nipped in the bud.

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    Every single thing youā€™ve said demands specific rebuttal. But I think it would be exhausting and youā€™re not worth it.

    Nearly everything you compare is actually a visible trait, where being trans isnā€™t. Nobodyā€™s going to be tricked into dating anybody they donā€™t want when all the attributes are visible up-front. I can SEE if somebody is athletic. I can SEE if somebody is black. I can SEE if somebody is obese.

    Quit pretending thereā€™s something wrong with having preferences. Youā€™re delusional and you have no right to pretend that anybody owes anybody anything except honesty up-front in a dating context.

    You actually think somebody who is not interested in a trans person OWES a trans person a date ā€œjust in caseā€. Frankly, get your head out of your ass.

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      Not sure if you stopped reading halfway through, but I mentioned 2 clearly visible things and 3 not visible things, specifically because I recognize itā€™s not immediately obvious from pictures.

      Or maybe you started reading on the second paragraph, because I clearly said itā€™s fine having preferences (including trans or not). I also never said anything about ā€œowingā€ a trans person a date, just in case or otherwise. Thereā€™s no problem with it being a deal breaker. Youā€™re reading things I didnā€™t say.

      I think itā€™s telling, though, that you use the word ā€œtricked.ā€ It shows, like my whole comment was saying, that you view being trans as different from other deal breakers, if you think somebody going on a date with a person they didnā€™t realize was trans was the trans person ā€œtrickingā€ them.

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        Lol, theyā€™re a transphobe. Being civil isnā€™t a strong suit for that kind of person.