Starting a career has increasingly felt like a right of passage for Gen Z and Millennial workers struggling to adapt to the working week and stand out to their new bosses.

But it looks like those bosses aren’t doing much in return to help their young staffers adjust to corporate life, and it could be having major effects on their company’s output.

Research by the London School of Economics and Protiviti found that friction in the workplace was causing a worrying productivity chasm between bosses and their employees, and it was by far the worst for Gen Z and Millennial workers.

The survey of nearly 1,500 U.K. and U.S. office workers found that a quarter of employees self-reported low productivity in the workplace. More than a third of Gen Z employees reported low productivity, while 30% of Millennials described themselves as unproductive.

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    They sure can. But since it’s a conversation between at least two people, those two (or more) people should be on board with the expansion.

    One person has to start the expansion though, it just doesn’t manifest on its own.

    Just forcing it into a conversation and ignoring what the others are telling you, is not a good way to have a conversation for a myriad of reasons.

    One person’s forcing is just another person’s expanding, and shouldn’t be responded to rudely.


    So the content I got from your replies is basically a person is only allowed to respond exactly to what was said, cannot leverage from that and expand on it like any other normal conversation between people, cannot be helpful if the other person is not in need of it, and if they do so they’re just plain ‘wrong’ for doing so.

    You must be really fun at parties.

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      One person has to start the expansion though, it just doesn’t manifest on its own.

      Sure, and like I already said, the others should be onboard with you. If however, like I did, push back against it and provide the reason for the push back, then it’s bad form to keep pushing. You haven’t even addressed the reason for the push back.

      One person’s forcing is just another person’s expanding, and shouldn’t be responded to rudely.

      The first time is not forcing. Continually pushing and pushing is forcing.

      So the content I got from your replies is basically a person is only allowed to respond exactly to what was said, cannot leverage from that and expand on it like any other normal conversation between people, cannot be helpful if the other person is not in need of it, and if they do so they’re just plain ‘wrong’ for doing so.

      Not anywhere near what I said. I said it doesn’t make me feel better, and yet you persisted. That’s not good behavior.

      If you want to talk with someone rather than at them, then yes, you have to accept and adapt to what the other parties are telling either directly, through their actions, or even in hints. I’m telling you directly and that doesn’t seem to work.

      You prefer to talk at me rather than with me where only your desires and intentions matter. I don’t see why you bother talking with anyone if that’s what you do, because a wall is just as good as a conversation partner as one you don’t listen to.

      You must be really fun at parties.

      Yes actually. For one, I don’t force the conversations after someone lets me know they’re not interested in it. Tends to put people at ease when they feel that their boundaries are respected.

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        The first time is not forcing. Continually pushing and pushing is forcing.

        Pusing back against your rudeness is not forcing, its defending myself, especially when you double-down. Or do you expect to be rude to someone and not hear back from them?

        So the content I got from your replies is basically a person is only allowed to respond exactly to what was said, cannot leverage from that and expand on it like any other normal conversation between people, cannot be helpful if the other person is not in need of it, and if they do so they’re just plain ‘wrong’ for doing so.

        Not anywhere near what I said. I said it doesn’t make me feel better, and yet you persisted. That’s not good behavior.

        Because when someone is trying to do something nice for you, you don’t smack their hand way. And I didn’t persist trying to be nice, but was calling you out for smacking my hand away, as it was VERY rude to do so, when the alternative was to just let the unneeded kindness go by unmentioned.

        You prefer to talk at me rather than with me where only your desires and intentions matter.

        Well, when you start with being rude, you should not expect someone to talk “with you”, they’re going to talk “at you”, pointing out your rudeness. Civility has to work both ways, and your communication was rude (constantly pointing out that I was wrong, instead of inquiring further to what I was trying to convey, etc.).

        I don’t see why you bother talking with anyone if that’s what you do, because a wall is just as good as a conversation partner as one you don’t listen to.

        My point is to have conversations with others, but what you think you are doing is conversing, when is not, you’re defending. And truly, I would say that you are the one who is not listening.

        You must be really fun at parties.

        Yes actually.

        Nah, don’t think so. If you verbally attack someone for suggesting something during a conversation, that can’t be good party manners.

        Tends to put people at ease when they feel that their boundaries are respected.

        You want the right to act as you want with others without them being able to tell you when you are acting poorly. Gotcha.

        Honestly, you were being rude, and instead of apologizing, you’re doubling down to win an Internet argument in an intellectually dishonest obtuse sort of way. You could have let my astroturfing comment just be, instead of saying I was wrong for stating it, multiple times. A waste of both of our times, and reinforces the “no good deed goes unpunished” philosophy with me.

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          Pushing back against my rudeness? You think what I’m doing is rude and what you’re doing is OK because you think I was rude.

          Because when someone is trying to do something nice for you, you don’t smack their hand way.

          I didn’t smack your hand away, I made a joke based on your odd assumption. If you only wanted to be nice, why are you pushing me at all? When I try to do something nice, and the person receiving it doesn’t like it, I apologize, because I did something to them. That they didn’t like. That is the polite thing to do. The nice thing.

          Trying to brow beat the other person into appreciating what you did or worse, to get them to apologize to you for not liking what you did is not nice. It’s controlling behavior. It’s bad behavior. You are behaving badly and rudely. No amount of ridiculously irrational ramblings is going to change that.

          instead of inquiring further to what I was trying to convey

          I already knew what you were trying to convey, I was not the one ignoring the other. Which most would agree is rude behavior.

          Well, when you start[…]

          Hey, I don’t care. I was just offering up some friendly advice about how to interact with others. Act how ever you feel you need to. It just looks to me like you’re missing the mark on what you claim to want to do. By all means, keep messing up, it doesn’t affect me one way or the other.

          And truly, I would say that you are the one who is not listening.

          I’m sure you would say that. I’m sure that in your head I’m the bad guy and you’re some kind of crusader whipping me into submission for having the gall to respond differently to you than how you wanted me to.

          And yes, I am fun at parties. Not sure why you think otherwise from a small sample of our interacting. It’s kind of irrational.

          You want the right to act as you want with others without them being able to tell you when you are acting poorly. Gotcha.

          Well this doesn’t make any sense. Do you want to read what I try that again?

          Honestly, you were being rude

          I wasn’t. I have nothing to apologize for. If it makes you feel any better, I don’t think there is any winning in an Internet argument. I honestly thought this was just some weird exchange and not an argument at all.

          If you think it’s a waste of time, and you’re not getting entertainment out of it like I am, then why am did you keep replying?