Is covid-liberalism a bannable offense in c/covid?

I’m getting really fucking weary of seeing sentiments like, “being upset about someone scheduling a non-emergency dental appointment in the middle of the second largest covid wave is deranged” or “you’re a selfish asshole for expecting your loved ones to do the bare fucking minimum to protect you” in discussions on masking or vaccine uptake

I know I’m not the only one disappointed in the growing anomie. Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    42·
    5 months ago

    I’ve been saying it for four years, the virus doesn’t give a fuck about your politics, you’re not owning anyone, you’re just shaving decades off your lifespan, which I guess technically means you’re owning yourself

    If we were a sane society, people not practicing safe covid precautions should receive an ass-whooping, because it would count as self-defense

  • WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.netEnglish
    38·
    5 months ago

    being upset about someone scheduling a non-emergency dental appointment

    im going to hyperfixate on this example specifically because i otherwise agree completely with this post

    problem is that dental problems snowball. you don’t get proper dental treatment, it gets worse. so then you need a more expensive and invasive surgery or operation later on

    so unless it’s literally a routine checkup, i would argue there isn’t really such a thing as a “non-essential” dental appointment. this literally only matters to me because my teeth hurt and i don’t want them to continue to hurt more

    edit: the fact that covid-safe dentists exists means that i am both exonerated and you are more correct. get your teeth cleaned by a non plague rat dentist hexbearites

    edit 2: my point is basically that i care about dental hygiene and covid safety and i dont want to trade those off from each other

    • Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      9·
      5 months ago

      Whats a good wayntonfind said covid-safe dentists. I have a moderate issue I don’t want to become a major issue

      • CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        5 months ago

        I asked on reddit-logo in my local city’s subreddit to get a list of covid-safe dentists. I got downvoted and trolled to hell but I also got a list of dentists who require everyone in the clinic – patients and staff – wear masks. I also got a list of ones who had relaxed requirements so I could avoid them. Now I’ll admit I’ve had a lot going on and I haven’t called any of them to arrange an appointment yet since I just wanted to plan a regular checkup and cleaning, but it’s a start.

        I might also suggest /r/ZeroCovidCommunity, which is pretty leftist for reddit-logo. I know that site is shit in general but these were niche helpful uses of it.

  • Melina [they/them, fae/faer]@hexbear.netMEnglish
    30·
    5 months ago

    This post is getting popular

    This community exists for the few of us left who genuinely still care about the virus’ impact on humanity and we are not ones who disregard prioritizing our health and the health of our loved ones.

    This is a space to share research, to educate and to be educated with the little resources we have available to us, however we feel about this virus shouldn’t concern you and if you want to ignore the virus and pretend it doesn’t exist go ahead and do that but we won’t back down from trying to protect you or tell you how dangerous Covid is, we are still living in a pandemic.

    Do not come here for a fight because you will be banned immediately.

  • AOCapitulator [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    30·
    5 months ago

    Yeah definitely a “take note of which usernames are going treatlord on this person for venting about how bad it sucks to suffer through this pandemic that the systems that be have decided to pretend is not happening” situation. my mom tested positive like 2 days ago and I’m also very pissed

  • rootsbreadandmakka [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    27·
    5 months ago

    Hexbear has historically been one of the few anti-covid communities out there that isn’t primarily focused on Covid, at least that I’ve found. It should absolutely be a bannable offense, I’d argue from the site. I did not realize we had a struggle session about Covid, wtf.

    • AOCapitulator [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      31·
      5 months ago

      a user posted a vent post about how he was frustrated his partner got covid and he probably would too as a result, listing a few gripes he had to get them off his chest like that she wasn’t being as careful as he would like and also had a recent dentist appointment, at no point did OP say anything to their partner or in any way imply he wasn’t going to take care of them and a bunch of people said really absurdly aggressive and shitty things to him over it, its still the top fucking post for me right now because people can’t stop pearl clutching

    • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      5 months ago

      Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m glad we had a spot to highlight the issue for those who aren’t paying attention. Anyhow, this is just my vibes and not a real thought out analysis.

  • Walk_On [he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
    25·
    5 months ago

    Very telling that most of the people bashing OP in the other thread are new here and probably aren’t aware of c/covid and the culture this site has about taking COVID seriously.

    • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      19·
      5 months ago

      The critics were using slurs, saying they rarely mask, and making common cause with libs from other instances. Thanks to the mods for cleaning stuff up.

  • sovietknuckles [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    25·
    5 months ago

    Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

    The !vegan@hexbear.net sidebar has lots of resources that lurkers can use to educate themselves before posting, but the !covid@hexbear.net sidebar does not. If the sidebar includes resources about dentist safety, moderating comments that express unfamiliarity with or opposition to those resources seems reasonable.

        • AOCapitulator [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          12·
          5 months ago

          it feels less active than a few months ago for me, aside from the undying threads that stay at the top of main for ages, maybe my account is fucked up somehow

          • barrbaric [he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
            12·
            5 months ago

            Nah you’re right, I clear through the site in like half the time I used to (I use it to kill time at work so it has been obviously noticeable).

              • barrbaric [he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
                5·
                5 months ago

                I sort by all but it’s mostly local (with some lemmygrad thrown in). Checking the front page right now, 16/17 top posts in the last day are local (1 from lemmygrad), and 15/16 active posts are local (1 from lemmy.ml); 12/15 hot are local but I don’t use hot sort much. I’ve blocked a lot of the low effort (federated) meme comms but those were mostly low activity with lots of votes IIRC.

          • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            9·
            5 months ago

            Have you considered changing from “active” to “hot”. Also the other instances are tolerable since we defederated from the worst.

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        9·
        5 months ago

        The signs were already there with Barbenheimer discourseTM. How do you have strong opinions about those two films without seeing the two films and how do you see the two films if they weren’t released on Netflix? Yep, you would totally have strong opinions of those two films after watching shitty pirated torrents and not, you know, jumping into the Covid death traps called movie theaters.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    23·
    5 months ago

    I knew Hexbear had given in to being plague rats when there was massive discourseTM and treat-defending on Barbenheimer when the only thought I had was, “you fuckers willingly jumped into the Covid death trap called movie theaters for the sake of two fucking movies. You risked getting long Covid and infecting other people with Covid for two shitty movies you won’t even remember in 5 years.” I sympathize if you’re talking about an important social gathering like a wedding or if you’re trying to organize with people who unfortunately are plague rats, but how much of a fucking treat-brained plague rat do you have to be to not wait 6 goddamn months before those movies show up on Netflix?

    It’s Joever for the broader site.

  • wopazoo [he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
    20·
    5 months ago

    Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

    I agree with this. We should have at least one place where COVID can be discussed without people coming in to scold people for not kissing strangers on New Year’s Eve.

  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    18·
    5 months ago

    I don’t know what liberalism is even supposed to mean in this context; surely any sort of Marxist or materialist analysis would tend to put the blame on the systemic forces shoving people into the orphan juicing machine, not on the individuals navigating the systems incompetently.

    • AOCapitulator [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      16·
      5 months ago

      OP of that post was also not actually blaming his partner, it was a vent post, a way to air frustrations that are not worth or appropriate to do more than that for. It is extremely silly to frame it this way, like he sat down and ran the numbers and its all his partners fault, thats not the kind of post it was

      • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        9·
        5 months ago

        I mean I read the following

        She’s also sorry, and I say it’s fine because I want her to feel better and recover, but secretly I’m fucking raging.

        As raging at her. That’s what it seems to convey to me. If not, then yeah, disregard me.

        • AOCapitulator [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          17·
          5 months ago

          I am fairly sure that its more along the lines of “fucking raging” at the 7th red light in a row on your 40 minute commute when you just want to be home after a double shift

          Not like baying for blood, but like, GAAHH. I imagine the person who wrote that post spent exactly as long thinking of what words to use there as they took to type them out, it wasn’t an effort post

          I could also be wrong, but this is hexbear and we’re supposed to assume good faith, especially in the context of an emotional vent post

          • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            15·
            5 months ago

            Not like baying for blood, but like, GAAHH. I imagine the person who wrote that post spent exactly as long thinking of what words to use there as they took to type them out, it wasn’t an effort post

            Literally thank you. I thought of putting an edit under the post, but we’re all grown ups. I just needed a space to unload my feelings when unloading on my partner wasn’t helpful.

            • AOCapitulator [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              12·
              5 months ago

              Yeah, there’s several of those responses now in that thread and they piss me way off.

              Im definitely with you that the healthier perspective is not to blame the person but the system that has inflicted this, while being as supportive as possible with prophylactics/ strategies etc, but thats the rational response, I’d be pissed at my partner too internally even while fully rationally aware that its silly to feel that way, but I wouldn’t not feel that way inside a little lol

          • usa_suxxx [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            5 months ago

            I don’t interpret it that way, but I also don’t think being angry at something makes someone bad faith. Emotions aren’t exactly logical and rational things.

    • dat_math [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      14·
      5 months ago

      You Someone else was deliberately undermining evidence-based precautionary advice regarding vaccines and masking, despite, apparently possessing the knowledge and tools to see that what you were dispensing was at best merely dismissive of individual efforts towards harm reduction in their own lives, and at its worst, simply harmful advice.

      To be aware of one’s own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

      edited: sorry, I’m losing my mind and conflated you with another user

      • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        5 months ago

        You were deliberately undermining evidence-based precautionary advice regarding vaccines and masking

        Yes, as evidenced by the fact that I stated I masked everyday in a KN95, spray ELAH in my nostrils twice daily, and have every vaccine I am eligible for.

        Look you don’t get to pretend everyone who has a different take on the morality of individual covid precautions is undermining the science of individual covid precautions. I was arguing with a colleague in March 2020 about the efficacy of the N95 I was wearing to the store because “CDC said there’s no evidence those help”, I’m not about to take accusations of mask efficacy minimization from you seriously.