To each their own, but I find this decision really misguided.
It’s her money, not mine, so whatever, but l do not expect her to turn a profit in, rather the opposite.
In my view, the cross section of “IfR” users and people willing to subscribe monthly is rather small (especially if the money mostly goes to reddit - assuming I could afford it, I, for instance, would rather fund an open system like Lemmy).
And if Apollo’s dev Christian Selig decided that it wasn’t worth it with an already established paying user base, who already has a strong culture of subscriptions and exaggerated pricings, and one of the highest volume of users, at what probably was the peak usage of the platform; I don’t see how a small app like IfR can survive.
That, or Christian made a pretty expensive mistake…
Infinity for Reddit is OpenSource: https://github.com/Docile-Alligator/Infinity-For-Reddit
Apparently Reddit doesn’t allow the original developer to publish the app with a field for a user API key… but there are tutorials on what to modify to get it to work, and there might be forks out there with the required fields baked in.
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If the app developer doesn’t have an API key in the app though then what power does Reddit have to stop them? Reddit would have to ban each individual API key that people generated and put in the app, no?
App developers have already agreed to some Reddit ToS in order to get an API key, so one of Reddit’s powers is to sue them. Developers don’t want to risk that, so they just follow the agreement and whatever Reddit tells them.
Individual users would still need to request becoming a developer, a process which Reddit has recently changed, and agree to the same ToS to get an API key, but the risk of getting sued instead of just banned, would be much lower. The ban could include both the API key, and any users using it, so still risky other than for throwaway accounts.
Reusing the official app’s API key though, could be interesting. Still risk getting banned, but interesting.
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Yeeaah I just uninstalled Infinity. It was my go to app for years after Slide fizzled out. Not sure how many users that are into open source will be willing to pay Reddit…
Same, it’s a bit sad, but I’ve not used it for weeks and I’m certainly not going to start paying
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That, or Christian made a pretty expensive mistake…
I wouldn’t put a lot pass /u/spez, including offering special deals on API pricing. Especially if he thinks it would make Christian Selig look bad.
It’s precisely the kind of thing a lying, gaslighting and vindictive /u/spez would do.
You know what… That does seem like something Spez would do.
You honestly can’t blame them for trying to adapt and keep their project going. It’s either they start doing a subscription model or Infinity dies. They aren’t allowed to make a tutorial for you to just replace their API key with your own, so what choice do they have? (you can do that btw, there are tutorials on the Infinity subreddit, although you’re limited to 100 calls a day)
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Yeah I’ve used Infinity for over two years, but won’t after this update. I couldn’t imagine paying money to Infinity only to have it go directly to Reddit. Tbh, I don’t think paying money to any non-open, profit-driven social network is a good idea.
I feel like using them for free is an even worse idea. At least if you’re paying there’s a chance they’ll treat you like a customer.
That’s not gonna last long
I payed Infinity+ just to support this amazing app. I remember Infinity being one of my first true approached to the FOSS community, "It’s free, built by pretty much one person, Reddit is a multimillion dollar company, how can this app be better!?.. But pretty much every penny Infinity makes from now on will go to the greedy Reddit admins’ hands so I guess this is goodbye.
Such a damn shame.
the app is better because u/spez has no control over it
Even with subscription how many requests you’re allowed per month?
This is reddit killing third party apps, because even if you did subscribe you’re still not getting NSFW because reddit is taking that out of the API anyways
So who would pay literally more for less? Reddit can say all they want about supporting 3rd party but even the blind could see through them
The devs were hoping that they can keep their apps up and their livelihoods without too much additional work, that’s fair from them I suppose. But they should definitely be taking a hard look at porting their existing apps for the Fediverse, if they aren’t yet.
I bet Infinity is doing this instead of hanging up their keyboards like the other apps specifically because they know it won’t work and want to be living proof of it.
Some of the other apps are making Lemmy versions instead.
As others have pointed out, doesn’t seem like this will work out well for the dev from business (or integrity) POV - Only thing I can think is maybe devs need to act in good faith now to “attempt” to adapt to API changes to then demonstrate the absolute and tangible harms that Reddit caused their business with this quick and reckless change, so that they can then sue after the fact?
Otherwise, what are you doing?
This was the Sync for Reddit’s main argument against going in that direction.
Subscription with less features (no nsfw). That’s a no from me. I will not be using reddit on mobile.
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echo 'I will not be using reddit on mobile.'| sed 's/ on mobile//g'Useless use of the global flag.
You don’t need
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I don’t think that’s posix compliant
EDIT: It doesn’t work in dash which is posix complianr
Dash isn’t the POSIX reference, this is.
True, I was assuming zsh/bash - https://www.shellcheck.net/wiki/SC3011 has the posix-compliant equivalent.
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Are there price details yet? Christian was talking about $5 still not breaking even so I’d be interested to see where they’ve landed.
I don’t think there’s any way you could economically run a 3rd party app with the new API pricing. When the Apollo developer did the math it looked very sensible, and IMHO there’s a huge downside to miscalculating the pricing (eg. underestimating the API usage of power users). I wish them luck, but this is probably going to end up pushing this developer into a financial hole, even discounting the extra dev work needed.
Shutting down altogether might be a deeper hole, if people have already paid and would have to receive refunds.
I read that it should be between 10-15 dollars. It’s way too expensive, it’s a shame.
Yikes. That’s more than most streaming services. No one is paying that for Reddit access
Indeed. And it can get even more expensive, with heavy use. And no nsfw too…
I would consider paying, but giving money to support Reddit? With its current attitude? It is a moral choice rather than a financial one.
dang, wonder how much they’re going to charge
