EDIT: you guys have dug up some truly horrible pisstakes :D Thank you for those.

To the serious folk - relax a little. This is Mildly Infuriating, not I'm dying if this doesn't stop. As a non-native speaker I was taught a certain way to use the language. The rules were not written down by me, nor the teachers - it was done by the native folk. Peace!

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      10 months ago

      Isn’t every rule just a preference of someone influential enough to make it into a rule?

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          10 months ago

          Mans needa yeet the whack ass non-Gucci words bruh

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        No.

        There’s two types of grammar rules. There’s the real grammar rules, which you intuitively learn as a kid and don’t have to be explicitly taught.

        For example, any native English speaker can tell you that there’s something off about “the iron great purple old big ball” and that it should really be “the great big old purple iron ball”, even though many aren’t even aware that English has an adjective precedence rule.

        Then there’s the fake rules like “ain’t ain’t a real word”, ‘don’t split infinitives’ or “no double negatives”. Those ones are trumped up preferences, often with a classist or racist origin.

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            One important thing to realize is that different dialects of English have slightly different grammars.

            One place where different dialects differ is around negation. Some dialects, like Appalachian English or West Texas English, exhibit ‘negative concord’, where parts of a sentence must agree in negation. For example, “Nobody ain’t doin’ nothing’ wrong”.

            One of the most important thing to understanding a sentence is to figure out the dialect of its speaker. You’ll also notice that with sentences with ambiguous terminology like “he ate biscuits” - were they cookies, or something that looked like a scone? Rules are always contextual, based on the variety of the language being spoken.

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            …“Don’t not go there” over “Do go there”…

            So many tour guides for cities say things like “do not skip going to” or similar. It’s just a linguistic choice.

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          10 months ago

          It certainly sounds like you have a strong preference how to split preferences into two groups. ;)

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        @TheEntity some are, like the Prepositions rule, which was invented in the 19th century by some idiots who wished English was more like Latin.

        Some are just people making observations about what everyone habitually already does, like Adjectival Order (e.g big brown dog not brown big dog).

        Native speakers never have to be taught that rule because it just “feels right” since it’s how our societies talk.

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      10 months ago

      I’ve never heard of robert baker, but the less/fewer “rule” makes sense and just “sounds” more correct intuitively. Maybe just bias, having been tainted by this “rule”

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      10 months ago

      I had literally never heard anyone complain about this until the Game of Thrones scene with Stannis Baratheon. Maybe grammar nerds cared before that but I don’t think most normal people cared.

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      10 months ago

      I also need to think it through every time I use it, because in my native language there is only 1 word for both. (Hungarian)