So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?
i would have pushed it here as a reply but it surpassed the maximum character count. you might find it useful for supporting your arguments in the future.
So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?
I can’t say what they should have known, but ot looks like they were really aiming for Israel to go “your rocket strikes always hurt but that massacre hit us especially hard, and you also took civillians as hostages, so yeah, we have no choice but to stop oppressing you. Sorry for everything and you can keep the hostages”, which couldn’t be fruitful no matter how you look at it.
Did you see videos recorded by Palestinians themselves on that day though?
Random gore videos from syria and other places and some rape videos from different time and regions. I was scared as a muslim but my friends said be brave, idf is good at spreading false information and it really did happen.
Looks legit but guess who was not using single bullets. Also you linked an indian article, dont do that if you are asked for a source. India today looks like another month piece of Modi’s fascist govt.
I don’t think such a question is what a theoretical judgment should end with.
I’d like to ask a question “is there an explanation of logic behind the attack on October 7?”.
The only explanation I can come up with is that hamas wanted a lot of Palestinians to get killed. This fits more points in a “hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians” narrative, than any other explanation would fit the “Israel doesn’t care about Israeli” narrative.
The explanation is that Israel has been effectively laying seige to them for 30 years, and they found a chance to actually hurt them and seized it. There was no other choice available to them. If some Palestinians survive this, it will be more than would have survived without the 10/7 attack
There’s a similar fallacy that’s often applied to USSR under Stalin: when you compare populations in 1930 to 1934, IE appx the length of the devastating famine they experienced, you’ll see that it declined something like 20% over that time. People who generate propaganda about communism will say that something like 30 million people died during it, by subtracting the numbers, and ignoring the fact that birth rates had been steadily dropping for years as the famine grew worse. What actually happened is that 5-8 million died, and 22 million were never born.
My point being that it is inherently pretty misleading to use population data as the majority of your evidence. The most reliable evidence we have, IE our eyes and ears, shows us that Israel is deliberately harming and often killing Palestinians, under the logic of being a superior race. We can quibble about data all you like, the fact is that Israel is most certainly committing genocide.
They took hostages because israel has illegally kidnapped many Palestinians and tortures them in prison without trial before oct7. And Hamas wants to trade their hostages for the Palestinians hostages kidnapped by israel.
I watched a few minutes of your video. For the love of all that is holy, Gaza is not a concentration camp - they are not being forced into slavery, gassed, tortured, experimented upon and systematically killed. It’s not even an “open air prison”. What are you people talking about? How can you be so arrogant about a subject you know nothing about first hand??
You’re half right. They did say Israel (come on man you can do it, spell right) must take all steps to stop a genocide from happening (because there isn’t one happening right now) and they demanded Hamas release all hostages. Why have you not done that yet?
I mean first, I need to point out that that Isn’treal was convicted genocide.
I would also like to point out that the “hostages” potentialy could be called Prisoners of war, have been demonstrated as safer with Hamas as the IOF has shot released POWs who have come under a white flag to the IOF
Listen buddy, this is not what I’m looking for. I was entertaining the idea of debating with pro Palestinians but I have zero interest in speaking with someone pro Hamas. It’s like wanting to talk to a member of ISIS. No thank you.
I am not hearing answers to questions like “why Isn’treal is destroying food” and “why isn’treal is not allowing medicine in” and “why Isn’treal is bombing hospitles and schools” and " why Isn’treal is giving a location for a safe zone then promptly bombing a safe zone" ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTIONS
So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?
Since you are still under the impression that Hamas indiscriminately killed civilians, here’s a nice video explaining what really happened on oct7
is all of this compiled anywhere else? bullet points or something with links?
i believe it, but i won’t spread it unless i can verify it.
Yes this video is actually addressing his article which is filled with links and evidence:
Netanyahu’s War on Truth - Israel’s Ruthless Propaganda Campaign to Dehumanize Palestinians
If you skip the chapter “intelligence failures” and go straight to “Information warfare” you’ll find evidence for all his claims in the video.
the entire article fully formatted in markdown
i would have pushed it here as a reply but it surpassed the maximum character count. you might find it useful for supporting your arguments in the future.
Being an asshole rarely brings people to your side
You’re right I have repeated myself a lot over the last months which tends to get tiring but this person might not yet be up to date.
I will rephrase my previous comment thank you for pointing it out.
I can’t say what they should have known, but ot looks like they were really aiming for Israel to go “your rocket strikes always hurt but that massacre hit us especially hard, and you also took civillians as hostages, so yeah, we have no choice but to stop oppressing you. Sorry for everything and you can keep the hostages”, which couldn’t be fruitful no matter how you look at it.
Did you see videos recorded by Palestinians themselves on that day though?
Random gore videos from syria and other places and some rape videos from different time and regions. I was scared as a muslim but my friends said be brave, idf is good at spreading false information and it really did happen.
You mean all those videos are fake?
No. Misinformed. Most of them were real videos but were not related to palestine or israel.
Is the video where toilet boxes at the music festival are getting shooted at not related to Palestine or Israel?
Can you provide a link?
Video: Hamas releases footage of music festival carnage, gunmen shoot at toilets - India Today https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/world/story/hamas-desert-rave-party-music-festival-south-israel-video-attack-toilets-palestine-war-2448868-2023-10-14
Looks legit but guess who was not using single bullets. Also you linked an indian article, dont do that if you are asked for a source. India today looks like another month piece of Modi’s fascist govt.
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/13111
Many of the videos are real. Hamas definitely shot some civilians. The problem is all the burnt bodies.
If you ask the question “How did Israel count 250 burnt Hamas fighters as Israeli civilians” the narrative falls apart.
I don’t think such a question is what a theoretical judgment should end with.
I’d like to ask a question “is there an explanation of logic behind the attack on October 7?”.
The only explanation I can come up with is that hamas wanted a lot of Palestinians to get killed. This fits more points in a “hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians” narrative, than any other explanation would fit the “Israel doesn’t care about Israeli” narrative.
The explanation is that Israel has been effectively laying seige to them for 30 years, and they found a chance to actually hurt them and seized it. There was no other choice available to them. If some Palestinians survive this, it will be more than would have survived without the 10/7 attack
What are you talking about? Did you see Gaza population charts for last years?
There’s a similar fallacy that’s often applied to USSR under Stalin: when you compare populations in 1930 to 1934, IE appx the length of the devastating famine they experienced, you’ll see that it declined something like 20% over that time. People who generate propaganda about communism will say that something like 30 million people died during it, by subtracting the numbers, and ignoring the fact that birth rates had been steadily dropping for years as the famine grew worse. What actually happened is that 5-8 million died, and 22 million were never born.
My point being that it is inherently pretty misleading to use population data as the majority of your evidence. The most reliable evidence we have, IE our eyes and ears, shows us that Israel is deliberately harming and often killing Palestinians, under the logic of being a superior race. We can quibble about data all you like, the fact is that Israel is most certainly committing genocide.
I saw all the videos of Oct7.
They took hostages because israel has illegally kidnapped many Palestinians and tortures them in prison without trial before oct7. And Hamas wants to trade their hostages for the Palestinians hostages kidnapped by israel.
Did you see this video one though
How many hostages does Israel hold?
3484 hostages
So is it okay to propose that hamas could have a success if they captured the same amount?
No israel would still kill all the hostages held by Hamas. Their government doesn’t care about hostages.
Did hamas know that all along?
Hamas knows that the israeli government will try their best to kill all israeli hostages, this is known as the Hannibal directive.
But they hoped the israeli populace would pressure their government harder
I watched a few minutes of your video. For the love of all that is holy, Gaza is not a concentration camp - they are not being forced into slavery, gassed, tortured, experimented upon and systematically killed. It’s not even an “open air prison”. What are you people talking about? How can you be so arrogant about a subject you know nothing about first hand??
I mean, there’s still some shit going on.
A group of UN “experts” (which are independent people) demanded an investigation. Why would that be evidence of anything?
The ICJ found that there was Genocide and Ruled that Isn’treal must take all steps practicle to stop the genocide, why have you not done that yet?
You’re half right. They did say Israel (come on man you can do it, spell right) must take all steps to stop a genocide from happening (because there isn’t one happening right now) and they demanded Hamas release all hostages. Why have you not done that yet?
I mean first, I need to point out that that Isn’treal was convicted genocide.
I would also like to point out that the “hostages” potentialy could be called Prisoners of war, have been demonstrated as safer with Hamas as the IOF has shot released POWs who have come under a white flag to the IOF
Which babies were proper prisoners of war?
What Children in the GOD DAMN CHILDRENS HOSPITAL WAS A VALID ENEMY COMBATANT
How can you be so arrogant about a subject you know nothing about at all?
Are you denying that the Holocaust happened because you weren’t there first hand?
What is arrogant about what I said?
10 Questions for Gaza Genocide Deniers
Oh ok you’re a bot. Got it.
Answer the damn questions
Listen buddy, this is not what I’m looking for. I was entertaining the idea of debating with pro Palestinians but I have zero interest in speaking with someone pro Hamas. It’s like wanting to talk to a member of ISIS. No thank you.
I am not hearing answers to questions like “why Isn’treal is destroying food” and “why isn’treal is not allowing medicine in” and “why Isn’treal is bombing hospitles and schools” and " why Isn’treal is giving a location for a safe zone then promptly bombing a safe zone" ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTIONS
Zionist Debating AKA Get completely destroyed, quickly call everyone a bot and run away
Did I break the AI?
Sorry to burst your bubble