• CybranM@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    Exactly, its not Israel that started this war, if you go stab a bear its not really the bears fault when it mauls you.

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      9 months ago

      The bear isn’t a democratic society with moral obligations not to commit ethnic cleansing.

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        9 months ago

        Of course I’m not but I’m also not surprised that its happening after Oct 7. I think there should be an immediate ceasefire, from both sides, and then hash out some kind of diplomatic compromise. Not up to me though

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          I would also like a cease fire. Or truce. An armistice or something that creates a short term and then a long term peace where the Palestinians can have the freedoms that the Israelis have. Though that may be too much to ask.

          I can’t explain Hamas’ thinking for the actions of Oct. 7th. But I can see, if we work your analogy, that they didn’t just go out to poke a bear. Rather, the bear has been menacingly hovering over Palestinians after coming into the home and swiping at them for decades. They can either die slowly doing nothing, or fight back knowing that they can be morally injured. Meanwhile, all your neighbors are saying you should let the bear live peacefully in your home. In fact, the city council made a plan for that to happen. Enen your friends are like, “The bear isn’t that bad.” So you fight back. And your friends aren’t on team bear anymore. And some neighbors are like “WTF bear!” And none of that happens without knifing the bear.

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          I mean I would love for a Genocide to stop happening from a Setteler colonial nation, who seems hell bent on the extermination of a multi-religious group of people,(because yes there where and are palistianian jews) can you please set that up?

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            Yeah, yeah we’d rather kill all Palestinians, sure. Cause Jews are so evil forcing their religion and culture on everybody else, killing and beheading people in the name of their god in a war against democracy, liberalism, equal rights and “the west”.

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              9 months ago

              who said anything about Jews, We are talking about Isn’treal here, 1) stop conflaiting the 2

              second OMFG your second sentence is so ubelevably racist

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                I. want. pro Palestinians to explain why they think Israel wants to exterminate Palestinians while ignoring Hamas’s slogan for the eradication of Israel and Jews. It’s reverse psychology right? If we would say that we want to erase Gaza then you’d believe we have good intentions, right?

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                  Erasure of Isn’treal, a genocidal state 1) is not the eresure or genocide of Jews, and 2) is a noble and honorable goal

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                    Erasure of Isn’treal, a genocidal state 1) is not the eresure or genocide of Jews, and 2) is a noble and honorable goal >

                    Oh. Ok then. I wish I had seen this comment of yours first to know to disregard anything else you say.

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      no Isnt’real started it when they where doing the slow genocide, you cannot blame an opressed group for fighting their opression. your poking the bear analigy in no way holds up. Isn’treal was not minding its buisness it was before the opporation still activly genoicing the palistinians.

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          Look, Would you rather I use the correct name of a state that has been founded from day one on genociding the palistinians?

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            Yes please. Otherwise it’s cringy. Nobody is “genociding” your precious Palestinians man. It was founded for Jews to have a safe place. But it’s kinda hard when all Muslim countries surrounding it keep poking it and getting their asses kicked. Hey if we wanted it to be fair there should be as many Christian countries as Muslim and Jewish and Buddhist and atheist etc. countries. But unfortunately Jews have been “genocided” for thousands of years and they only have one tiny country to call home in a sea of Arab.

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              Look man, I have no care about being “cringy” I think your complet lack of human empathy or geoplolitical understanding is cringe, but that is not the reason I am arguing.

              No the reason Isn’treal was founded (yes I am doubling down on it) was a fuffilment of Zionism, at the time was seen as a deeply anti-semetic idea, and it arguably still is, it is we do not want the Jews near us, Their only argument for it is that the tora talked about it their, and may I point out that it is rediculous that we would use a holy book as justification for kicking people who where living in an area already out of their homes. Palistine already existed as the Palistinian Mandate, it was a mandate under the UK as a comprimise after WW1 for the dissilusion of the Ottoman empire, between self determination of the locals, and the empire building of the great powers of the time, so the idea being is it would be the UK’s in name only. Isn’treal soon after they took over the Mandate of Palistine, did the Nakba, removal of all political rights and posessions, and forced migrations into the gettos, massicers and killings, destruction of importion cultrual and comunity sights, and this, Fimbulwinter, is why their neighbors dislike them, this event right here,

              If you are curious the reason why there are so many isalmic nations in the area, we can look at the ottoman empire, I also want to point out that their are 0 Athiest nations, a large amount of Christian nations.

              So yes Isn’treal has been genocidal from day one, you can even ask the first person they asked to be president Albert Einstine who refused on the basis of the being genocidal.