You joke but someone did actually do that. Report was dismisses though

I was planning on deliberately starving some Palestinian children to death or possibly cutting power to a NICU in a Palestinian hospital.

Does that count?

It’s the thought that counts

That answer depends on how likely I am to be put on a list…

I’m a Jewish person today. That sign is not antisemitic, it’s accurate.

It doesn’t work for me. Have you tried removing the French language pack?

I’d argue that if they put up a Palestinian flag, it’s clear that Palestine is being referred to.

In principle, though, I agree with your first point

Yes but anti-semitism has been co-opted to apply only to Jews (erasure of millions of other semitic people, that is, people who speak a semitic language other than Hebrew) just like the Holocaust has come to mean only the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide, which is erasure of the 5 million other victims in the various groups that were killed by Nazis.

That’s an invalid (strikethrough: dictionary) etymology argument, and you know it. To clarify, when I said “antisemitism” I meant “a discriminatory attitude towards Jews” or something along those lines.

Edit: this is an etymology argument, not a dictionary one; most dictionaries probably agree with me. I don’t know how or why the word antisemitism came to be used to refer to Jews specifically, but surely it’s been this way for most of its history.
Either way, the most authoritative meaning of a word is that which was intended by the one who uttered it.

Did it come from the genocide region?

My understanding is that the person who originally called criticism of the Israel gov ‘antisemitism’ is the one equating Jewish people with the state of Israel

That’s the point they are making actually, that Jewish people that call for antisemitism in those cases like the Australian Jewish organization and tons of Israel supporters, by saying that being against genocide is antisemitic, they are saying that genocide is semitic, which is a very dangerous statement.

In my opinion, those that make such ludicrous statement are the antisemitic ones, for calling the Jewish religious group genocidal.

Clearly the Australian Jewish Association is relating Jewish people to genocide, otherwise they would not have called that statement by a shopkeeper in New Zeeland anti-semitic but would instead have said it to be anti-Israel.

They’re directly saying that being against this Genocide is being against Jews, which is most definitelly “relating Jewish people to that Genocide”

The problem is that the Israeli government itself deliberately conflates itself/Zionism with Judiasm as a whole specifically so they can screech “antisemitism!!!” at every single criticism they receive regardless of whether or not is valid.

This is not only bullshit, but also actively undermines progress against actual antisemitism elsewhere by poisoning the signal-to-noise ratio by perpetually being the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

For anyone non-Jewish looking for a scrap of perspective on the matter, remember after 9/11 when every response from every conservative about every overtly shady thing they did was to parrot, “Why do you hate America???” It’s pretty much the same idea.

That’s antisemitic talk.

Great if you believe that, but how many other people do? How do you think it will change things in the eyes of all the far-right parties on the rise today?

They won’t care.

Israel is not representative of modern Judiasm

well, Saudi arabia/afganistan is not representative of modern islam, but here we are. Do you think Muslim majority, largely secular countries like being compared to theocratical shitholes? no.

if you’re just joining us, the thread is about how assholes like to make it seem that criticism of israel is antisemitism, whch is what archonet is talking about.

How would you like it if I quoted biblical passages to portray you as a fascist conservative US ultrachrist?

I think that would be really entertaining.

I think the world would be a lot better if everyone recognized that these religious books written hundreds or thousands of years ago have some batshit insane things written by some batshit insane people in them and no part of them should be used to dictate people’s lives.

How would you like it if I quoted biblical passages to portray you as a fascist conservative US ultrachrist?

Go ahead, do that. Quote Bible passages, Quran passages, Buddhist, other religious texts and events anywhere to paint me as whatever you think my areligious-ass is.

You will see that most have some passage like my example, that radical right-wing colonial fascists use to justify acts like genocide.

Religion can be a force of good and you’re correct that the actions of Israel are not representative of Judaism as a whole. In fact, whether as a commandment from a holy figure, rules within a religious society to earn just reward, spiritual obligation or of role models portrayed in such texts, the principles of caring for others as you would yourself, acting compassionately to the weak, poor and underprivileged are core tenets of religions everywhere.

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However, remember that the post is of a Semitic organization displaying opposition to genocide as an example of anti-Semitism, and I merely provide evidence that there are texts to back up that extremely harmful view.

The Australian Jewish Association posting a picture like the one in the post kind of implicates Jews at large if such actions aren’t widely condemned and taken back, even if it seems anti-Semitic to do so.

That said there are many Jews that advocate for peace and to end this violence.

Just one example of many: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

Unfortunately it’s overshadowed by a massive suppression campaign all over the world to hide voices of protest and justify the occupation.

I see what your saying but I’m not sure I agree.

If you have a Jewish state by their own admission and put a lot of meaning into their text. Israel.

That state says something is Anti-Semetic.

Then someone references their own text to show how they believe something to be their religious right and telling someone to stop that is anti-semitic.

I get that this point is satirical to a degree because I’m not sure even using religion many people would say they have a right to kill children. But I think the comment is more about showing how stupid arguments are when they are based on religion rather than saying all Jews are child killers.

It would be like some Catholics killed some gay guys who were kissing and the Catholics said the gay guys where being racist and anti-Catholic.

If someone say well the bible says you should kill gays.

The hidden argument is that basing an argument on a historical text is stupid gives no justification for committing a crime. It doesn’t say all Catholics are gay killers, because rationally no one would believe that person is saying that.

Thanks. I am willing to risk religious people of all stripes to downvote me for saying it, not that points matter.

Right, so if this is the consensus (although there is reason to believe it is), then this occupation of Gaza should have been condemned and stopped months ago by Jewish organizations everywhere, hand in hand with peace groups, humanitarian organizations like MSF, Palestinian groups. The level of suppression of media and protest happening from Israeli and Jewish organizations show a level of complicity in the elected right-wing level governments actions, and only a handful of brave Jewish groups and rabbis have publicly spoken out against it.

Hey, I agree with you my comment was a bit bigoted. This comment was half-written in the context of being a Lemmy Shitpost, but it has spawned a chain of genuine discussion.

The important thing is to separate the hate for what Israel is doing from Jewish people in general. (Same with Palestinians, Hamas and Islam)

Anti-Semites and Nazis, Islamic fundamentalists, the Israeli government, the Australian Jewish Association all try to fuse the two together to justify violence.

Absolutely correct.