wow just wow while i can’t say i didn’t see this one coming but it always amazes me where greed could lead someone
Google is an ad company. To them, a web browser is nothing more than a tool for collecting user data and delivering ads.
When you use a chromium based browser you are allowing google, an ad company, to decide what the future of web browsing should look like. And this is the result.
Firefox is the ONLY browser which is genuinely competing with google. Do you think ad and tracking blockers are going to get better or worse once they die out, and literally every major browser is running on chromium?
Use firefox and u-block origin. Enjoy a superior, ad free, browsing experience, and support the future of an open web.
It’s so encouraging to hear so many pro Firefox opinions lately. Then I remember I’m logged into the pirate instance of a federated platform and anti-corporate sentiment is probably as high as it gets.
Sadly most younger people haven’t even heard of Firefox.
Right? After years of feeling like the only pro-firefox person left on the planet, the pro Firefox sentiment lately is a breath of fresh air, to say the least.
Most young people are basically tech illiterate. Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones. But have zero idea how any of it works under the hood.
Ask them to transfer a file from a computer to a USB drive, most will not know how. They have no idea how a file system is structured or even that an app has to specifically made for different platforms… e.g. Facebook app on Apple is completely different from Facebook on Android and the two will contain different bugs and different settings.
We are almost back to default browser = internet
You’re absolutely right.
Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones.
I think that’s mostly because most commercial apps have fantastic ui and ux.
Young people seem to proudly go along with the biggest name, which is really sad. They think there’s merit in that, conforming means acceptance.
Meanwhile, anytime I encounter a young non-conformist doing something very contrarian, it gives me some hope for the future. Because 99% of society is open-armedly embracing dystopia because the one thing they hate more than anything is the burden of independent thought and self-determinism. To intelligent freethinking individuals, seeing it play out is a waking nightmare.
It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Firefox on android is really slow. I tried using it, but now I use Vivaldi
Pros : really fast Cons : chromium based
Most younger people have heard of it. Using what came with their computer is just easier to them though.
I agree, most of the younger people use browsers that are bundled with the operating system.
- Android = Chrome
- Windows = Edge
- Mac/iOS = Safari
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It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Well, we are in the worst cyberpunk timeline so…
Sadly, at the end of the day I prefer edge because it
has cloud voicesis slightly faster
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No way I’ll use YouTube with ads. The amount of your lifetime they waste is what I’d consider disrespectful to their users. Even if the ads were bearable, I wouldn’t turn off my ad blocker on any Google site for tracking alone.
I also don’t see myself subscribing to YouTube Premium, firstly because it’s too expensive (stop including your music streaming service and make it cheaper maybe?), but also because YouTube is just a platform with a lot of not curated content that YouTube had no part in creating.
Let’s see how the cat and mouse games between YouTube and ad blockers and alternative frontends go. If it’s too much of a hassle, I’ll just stop using YouTube. I don’t miss Twitter, I don’t miss Reddit, and I won’t miss YouTube.
Eh, I wound up with a YouTube premium subscription years ago when I subscribed to Google play music, way back when it was YouTube Red. I cannot imagine going without at this point. It became YouTube music at some point, and… Yeah.
Me who uses piped and all:
FreeTube/Piped on PC
ReVanced on droid
uYou+ on 🍎 phone
SmartTubeNext on 📺
Youtube can do the fuck they want on their website
add mpv+youtube-dl to thr mix and you get a full healthy dinner
yt-dlp is the successor. On droid there are several beautiful front ends for yt-dlp so you don’t need a terminal emulator
please share them with us
https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal
This is the one I’ve been using
Seal.
there’s also Newpipe x Sponsorblock on android.
Can’t they block the likes of Freetube, Newpipe, Revanced?
These clients use the same set of APIs as the YouTube official client. Unlike the Twitter and Reddit clients which used APIs for 3rd-party.
Newpipe doesn’t use youtube official API. It does webpage parsing afaik
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uYou can’t be used on non-jailbroken devices, right?
No you can. You need to choose from AltStore, TrollStore and Sideloadly depending on what works for you, then sideload the uYou+ IPA (or the IPA of any app)
Thanks, looking into AltStore now!
I haven’t had this happen using ublock origin, but if they do figure out how to block ublock origin, adnausiem (ublock origin fork) might work. It’s a fork of ublock origin that tricks the ad providers into thinking you clicked on every ad, which not only bypasses a lot of adblock detectors, it Actively costs them money by polluting their ad data with garbage.
If they really want to prevent us from watching videos without ads, they can. They know of the ad is watched or not, we can have some kind of auto-mute-during-ad but that’s it.
Question is if they will kill network effect with it.
I have already drastically reducedy yt watching because of too many sponsors… watching two minutes of sponsored material, plus two ads just to see that I don’t even wanna watch the stupid video is too much.
Not to mention those laud ads in the middle of relaxing and quiet video… few months ago one ad was starting with screaming, that’s when I said no way.
That’s why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can’t stand all the in-video ads.
That’s why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can’t stand all the in-video ads.
That’s why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can’t stand all the in-video ads.
That’s why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can’t stand all the in-video ads.
That’s why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can’t stand all the in-video ads.
That’s why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can’t stand all the in-video ads.
it Actively costs them money by polluting their ad data with garbage.
Lmaoo, i’m going to install that
Report issue. You’re not running an adblocker! wink
Google already has trouble with support, if they have a million lightly befuddled users who are getting blocked and “don’t know why”, that will be a problem for Google.
Somehow I feel like they won’t care, those reports probably go directly into the bin.
It would only work if enough people do it to show up on their metrics.
They’ll care if enough people do it. Being flooded with reports is just as time consuming
You’re assuming they’re actually going to respond to the issues reported. Maybe at first they will, but I’d wager that it won’t be long before all reporting an issue does is send an automated “We’re looking into it” email before promptly deleting the ticket.
Might report this as an issue even while I’m not seeing it, just for some extra confusion.
What ad blockers are getting detected right now?
My friend saw this using ABplus, he just switched to using a piped instance for the time being. I haven’t seen it at all using ublock origin. Though they said this is a “small test” so it’s possible I just am not in the test.
don’t know as i don’t use “youtube” - the site - i am using a different front end
Long live Piped!
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I just use SmartTube on my FireTV. I’m not paying for YouTube.
I have been using YouTube Premium for a long while now so this don’t affect me at all.
Even for the music alone it’s pretty much the same price as Spotify. It’s not a terrible value proposition.
“Is allowlisted”
Wtf, sounds like a BS screenshot to me
No that actually legitimizes it more. Google has been internally pushing to use allow/blocklisted instead of white/blacklisted for a few years now.
I feel like we had a good relationship as it was. I don’t feel like ad blockers are mainstream enough to hinder revenue. But these changes are pushing me to divest from the platform. I’ve shared fewer YT links in discord since they went after the music bots.
Internet doing a race to the bottom.
Did Libretube (android) stop working because of this? Or is it just me?
I really don’t think it’s greed. Can’t blame em for trying to win the cat/mouse game of adblocking. I’m sure it’s not the end of the world, and new ways to circumvent this will show up.
Can’t blame em for trying to win the cat/mouse game of adblocking.
IDK; I blame them.
YouTube has become part of the world’s social infrastructure. In a way, it is the town square.
Frankly it should be publicly owned.
Okay. I can dig a publicly owned YouTube.
Are you willing to spend your tax dollars hosting flat earth content?
Far right? Thinly disguised racism?
It’s ironic: but at least by paying based on what is watched, you give money to those you consume.
We can pay for it by eating just a few of the rich.
Well, that’s not in YouTube’s interest, so I don’t know how you can blame them for not being publicly owned.
If it somehow magically becomes publicly owned, your bills/taxes will reflect that (as they do with TV in many countries, it just gets added to the monthly electricity bill, whether you use it or not).
while i agree to some extent it never been that aggressive before, have you heard that dial-er and SMS apps are no longer included in the android open source stock making it bit harder for custom roms maintainers
I heard about this too, it’s a really rough one. Removing essential mobile phone functionality from a mobile OS’ source code makes no sense to me at all
Google wants to maintain control of Android. In theory, Android is open source. However, Google doesn’t want the open source bits to be enough to create a competitor.
that is just causing a problem and selling the solution
While I agree in theory, Youtube has been a money pit for Google for its entire existence. It feels a little odd for them to suddenly start caring now.
Beyond that, I’ve seen a lot of discussion lately about how ads have gotten worse over time, and I agree. The old, entirely text, adwords ads that didn’t try to masquerade as content are one thing. I’d be a lot more likely to allow that type. Instead, most ads now are obnoxious video, animated, scroll highjacking, etc. We’ve entered a crappy feedback loop where ads aren’t as effective, so companies are more likely to make obnoxious ads to get the most ROI, so people who might use adblockers are more likely to use them to try and preserve a smooth browsing experience.
There’s also an argument to be made that despite the absurd amount of data collection going on, ad targeting is still pretty shitty. If I was getting ads for things I was interested in, I might be more likely to allow them.
Ultimately I think the genie is out of the bottle on this. People who are likely to use ad blockers aren’t likely to change without a large overhaul in the ad industry, and the ad industry can’t afford to make those changes while still maintaining profits.
All internet companies have been caring a lot more about service profitability since the rise in interest rates. Unprofitable companies are scrambling to make money and profitable companies are killing divisions that don’t have a clear path to profitably.
The Internet being so abundant that everything would be free hasn’t really come about. The costs to serve a video may be fractions of a cent, but it is still not something you can round to zero yet.
I also don’t understand how anyone can be offended by this. Keeping YT running no doubt is quite expensive.
I’ve been using a variety of LibreTube and revanced on my phone and tablet as I only have mobile devices.
For the first time I opened a link which went to the native app, OMG it is unusable with ads.
If that’s the expected way of using YouTube then I’m out, especially as I live in a location where I can’t pay for Premium even if I wanted to
