I would cast my drop-in-the-ocean vote if it didnā€™t require needlessly reckless disclosures. The question is- which states offer more privacy than others? These are some of the issues:

publication of residential address

Itā€™s obviously fair enough that you must disclose your residential address to the election authority so you get the correct ballot. But then the address is public. WTF? Iā€™m baffled that the voter turnout isnā€™t lower.

Exceptionally, Alaska enables voters to also supply a mailing address along with their residential address. In those cases, the residential address is not made public. But still an injustice as PO Boxes are not gratis so privacy has a needless cost.

Some states give the mailing address option exclusively to battered spouses. So if you are a victim of domestic abuse, you can go through a process by which you receive an address for the public voting records that differs from your residential address. Only victims of domestic abuse get privacy that should be given to everyone.

publication of political party affiliation

You are blocked from voting in primary elections unless you register a party affiliation, in which case you can only vote in the primary election of that party. A green party voter cannot vote in the democrat primary despite the parties being similar. The party you register in is public. So e.g. your neighbors, your boss, and your prospective future boss can snoop into your political leanings.

AFAIK, this is the same for all states.

publication of your voting activity (which is used for shaming)

Whether you voted or not is public. If you register to vote but do not vote, itā€™s noticed. There is a shaming tactic whereby postcards are sent saying ā€œyour neighbors the Johnsons at 123 Main St. voted early ā€“ will you do your civic duty too? Note that the McKinneys at 125 Main St. have not voted; perhaps you can remind them?ā€ They of course do this in an automated way, so non-voters know their neighbors are receiving postcards that say they did not partake in their civic duty.

forced disclosure to Cloudflare

These states force all voter registrations through Cloudflare:

  • Arizona
  • Florida
  • Georgia
  • Hawaii
  • Idaho
  • New York
  • Ohio
  • Rhode Island
  • Washington

Thatā€™s not just public info, but everything you submit with your registration including sensitive info like DL# and/or SSN goes to Cloudflare Inc. Cloudflare is not only a privacy offender but they also operate a walled garden that excludes some demographics of people from access. Voters can always register on paper, but whoever the state hires to do the data entry will likely use the Cloudflare website anyway. So the only way to escape Cloudflare getting your sensitive info in the above-mentioned states is to not register to vote.

To add to the embarrassment, the ā€œUS Election Assistance Commissionā€ (#USEAC) has jailed their website in Cloudflareā€™s walled garden. Access is exclusive and yet they proudly advertise: ā€œAdvancing Safe, Secure, Accessible Electionsā€.

solutions

What can a self-respecting privacy seeker do? When I read @BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.comā€™s mentionĀ¹ of casting a ā€œspoiledā€ vote which gets counted, I thought Iā€™ll do thatā€¦ but then realized I probably canā€™t even get my hands on a ballot if I am not registered to vote. So I guess the penis drawing spoiled vote option only makes a statement about the ballot options. Itā€™s useless for those who want to register their protest against the voter registration disclosures.

Are there any states besides Alaska that at least give voters a way to keep their residential address out of publicly accessible records?

  1. it was mentioned in this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/8502419
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    Your residential address is not private. Even if you do not vote.

    Your political party is self reported. I donā€™t believe the primaries have anything to do with actual government protection and are run by each party. Therefore they can make the rules on who can and cannot vote. As itā€™s self reported, you can always lie.

    Voting activity is a strange one. I have never gotten those postcards.

    Cloudflare, is well, cloudflare. Because of how they do their ddos protection they do have the ability to decrypt traffic, but itā€™s highly unlikely that they do. Anything done along the wire would destroy their reputation. It is a big issue regarding consolidation of Internet resources into the hands of a few large companies, but just because traffic goes through them doesnā€™t mean that privacy is violated. Iā€™m curious, can you expand on what demographics they block?

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      Your residential address is not private. Even if you do not vote.

      Of course your residential address is private. Itā€™s sensitive information because it can be used against you in countless ways. Do you mean to say that you personally donā€™t care if your residential address is published? Anyone who is street-wise treats it as private. Note that this is different from mailing address. Residential address is where you can physically be foundā€¦ where you sleep at night.

      Your political party is self reported. I donā€™t believe the primaries have anything to do with actual government protection and are run by each party. Therefore they can make the rules on who can and cannot vote. As itā€™s self reported, you can always lie.

      By ā€œself-reportedā€, do you mean that registrants are entering it on the voter reg. form themselves? Yes they have a choice whether or not to provide that, but it depends on the state whether itā€™s a precondition to participation in primaries. (see the earlier discussion below).

      Voting activity is a strange one. I have never gotten those postcards.

      I havenā€™t either. Just heard about it going on. The bigger issue is that the information to do that is /available publicly/. The postcards arenā€™t coming from the gov. The fact that people are exploiting the info is expected. The non-voter shaming is a bit eye opening but then again so are so many abusive tactics we encounter in the election run-up you could fill a book with all the ways voters are manipulated and exploited. AI of course supercharges it. Cambridge Analytica is merely the beginning.

      Cloudflare, is well, cloudflare. Because of how they do their ddos protection they do have the ability to decrypt traffic, but itā€™s highly unlikely that they do.

      Thatā€™s not true. The ability is used inherently in how they operate. Of course they decrypt the traffic; thatā€™s a precondition to the DDoS protection. How do you think CF offloads the userā€™s server workload without directly processing payloads? Any packets they donā€™t decrypt cannot be treated and must be passed through to the customer who cannot afford the bandwidth to handle all the traffic which is why they use CF to begin with.

      To give you a concrete example, you use #lemmyWorld, a Cloudflare instance. Your username and password is revealed to Cloudflare every time you login, along with all your actions including actions that do not manifest in a public way. Cloudflare inherently sees that all in the clear (to them). Whether they abuse it is guesswork. But itā€™s obviously not a wise move to choose a centralized CFā€™d instance when there are non-CF instances to choose from. You compromise privacy and support an anti-netneutrality tech giant for nothing.

      The option to allow the customer to have their own key is a premium option (non-gratis), which makes it rare, not to mention it defeats the DDoS protection. The use of that is obviously quite niche.

      Anything done along the wire would destroy their reputation.

      If they are caught abusing that data, it may or may not matter considering what theyā€™ve gotten away with so far. One would be a fool to not assume CF is feeding 3 letter orgs just like the other tech giants. Of course they are. There just hasnā€™t been a specific leak in that regard yet.

      CFā€™s reputation should be in the shitter because they doxxed a CSAM whistle blower to a CSAM host they were protecting, who then published the identity of the whistle blower so users could retaliate. If thatā€™s not startling enough evidence of Cloudflareā€™s untrustworthyness, consider as well that the (manchild) CEO said the whistle blower ā€œshould have used a fake nameā€ when reporting the CSAM to CF. Effectively, the CEO admitted that CF cannot be trusted with peopleā€™s real identities. That should have been a PR nightmare for them but most people donā€™t give a shit or donā€™t even know enough to understand it, which enables CF to grow. Theyā€™ve taken ~25-30% of all the worldā€™s websites so far and itā€™s rapidly increasing. Cloudbleed should have been an alarming disaster for them but people shrugged it off and a couple weeks later it was back to business as usual.

      Find me a PRISM corp whose reputation was destroyed by the Snowden leaks. Microsoftā€¦ Googleā€¦ Facebookā€¦ Appleā€¦ They are all doing well.

      It is a big issue regarding consolidation of Internet resources into the hands of a few large companies, but just because traffic goes through them doesnā€™t mean that privacy is violated.

      Thatā€™s not how wise infosec works. You do not wait until your data gets exploited before deciding not to do a reckless disclosure. That would be like leaving the keys in your car on the basis that your car has never been stolen. Not to mention Cloudflare has proven to be untrustworthy anyway. Just like Facebook. It doesnā€™t stop people using them. And the nature of the beast is the admin is putting other unwitting people at risk. Mallory solves her problems by transferring risk onto Alice.

      Iā€™m curious, can you expand on what demographics they block?

      By default, Cloudflare blocks access to the following groups of people:

      • users whose ISP uses CGNAT to distribute a limited range of IPv4 addresses (this generally impacts poor people in impoverished regions)
      • the Tor community
      • VPN users
      • users of public libraries (consequently people who canā€™t afford a PC and internet subscription), and generally networks where IP addresses are shared
      • privacy enthusiasts who will not disclose ~25% of their web traffic to one single corporation in a country without privacy safeguards
      • blind people who disable images in their browsers (which triggers false positives for robots, as scripts are generally not interested in images either)
      • environmentalists and the permacomputing community and people on limited internet connections, who also disable browser images to reduce bandwidth which consequently makes them appear as bots
      • people who actually run bots ā€“ Cloudflare is outspokenly anti-robot and treats beneficial bots the same as malicious bots

      ā€¦ and thatā€™s just what has been noticed and complained about. Itā€™s likely a bigger list but they are non-transparent. Cloudflare does not publicize who they marginalize. They just say they block the baddies, and then proceed to assume all those they block are baddies in a circular logic fashion. Marketing works wonders on people.

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    To add to your list of grievances, political campaigns will use softwares such as Voter Action Network (VAN) to compile data from various public and private databases and make predictions on how you might vote. Theyā€™ll use this data to decide if they will send volunteers to canvass your residence, mail you campaign literature, etc. Campaigns will freely ā€œswapā€ lists of sign-in sheets of emails and phone numbers, gathered from in-person or digital events.

    https://www.ngpvan.com/smartvan/

    @freedomPusher

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      I didnā€™t know about VAN specifically but I know the analytics works out what issues an individual cares about (or is likely to care about) as well as your degree of swingyness. So e.g. if there is a moderate/swing voter (tagged as a ā€œpersuadableā€) in a region that matters and the machine determines that individual has an interest in immigration, the campaign workers will bring up that issue early in their pitch after you open the door.

      I think Obama was the first to exploit these marketing tactics effectively (not that he needed to; it was overkill in his case). Then Peter Thiel brought it to a more extreme level with Cambridge Analytica on the Russia-financed Trump campaign. I think itā€™s widely accepted that Trump never would have taken power without Thiel & Cambridge Analytica (and Facebook who sold the data to C/A).

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    You are blocked from voting in primary elections unless you register a party affiliation, in which case you can only vote in the primary election of that party. A green party voter cannot vote in the democrat primary despite the parties being similar.

    As a Canadian, this whole system sounds as alien as Iā€™m sure ours does to you.

    In Canada, we have a lot of discussion and even organized groups surrounding ā€œstrategic voting.ā€ Basically, when there is danger of the ā€œwrongā€ party forming government, which one of the other parties should you vote for to ensure that doesnā€™t happen while also somewhat reflecting your preferences? This can get as nuanced as trying to hold a party to forming a minority government while giving your preferred party the balance of power, possibly even leading to a true coalition of minority parties forming government.

    Do you have anything similar, where you might deliberately register with the ā€œwrongā€ party in an attempt to control who your real party runs against? This assumes, of course, that you still get to make a free choice in the actual election.

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      I donā€™t know enough about the Canadian system to understand your 2nd paragraph, but I can answer this:

      Do you have anything similar, where you might deliberately register with the ā€œwrongā€ party in an attempt to control who your real party runs against?

      There are republicans in the US who will register as democrats in order to vote for the ā€œweakerā€ candidate in the democratic primary. By weaker, they select the opponent who they think is less likely to win against whoever the republican turns out to be. Itā€™s hard to imagine that enough of them would be able to do that in enough numbers to influence who wins the primary, but it is yet another sneaky tactic that the republicans try.

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        Thanks.

        Regarding that second paragraph:

        In Canada, we have a lot of discussion and even organized groups surrounding ā€œstrategic voting.ā€ Basically, when there is danger of the ā€œwrongā€ party forming government, which one of the other parties should you vote for to ensure that doesnā€™t happen while also somewhat reflecting your preferences? This can get as nuanced as trying to hold a party to forming a minority government while giving your preferred party the balance of power, possibly even leading to a true coalition of minority parties forming government.

        Imagine 3 parties, Right, Centre, Left. This corresponds very roughly to our Conservative, Liberal, and NDP, respectively.

        When you tally up 100 votes, in a riding (voting district), something very close to R=40, C=40, L=20 is quite common. If R=41, C=39, then R wins the riding, even though 59 voters didnā€™t want them.

        Now comes the interesting part. R voters have little desire for C to win and absolutely no desire for L to win, so they stand by R, no matter what. L has no desire for R to win and feel so strongly about it that they will vote C to make sure it doesnā€™t happen and then hope for a minority government where L has the balance of power so that they can push some of their policies when C forms the government or prevent R from doing ā€œbad stuffā€ by joining forces with C in opposition.

        Whatā€™s a minority government? Itā€™s when no other party has won as many ridings as you, but you still didnā€™t capture a majority of the ridings. Unless the other parties formalize a coalition, you get to form the government.

        R minority governments rarely get much done because C and L gang up on them. But C minority governments get plenty done because they are willing to do some of what L wants in exchange for their support.

        And finally, that gets us to strategic voting. Itā€™s mostly about keeping R from winning a given riding to prevent them from forming any government, especially by winning a majority of ridings. Do if C looks close enough to R then L voters will vote C to prevent ~~C ~~ R from winning. If looks like the best chance, then C will vote L.

        Yes itā€™s complicated to keep the dreaded Right under control, which is why there are organisations dedicated to voting strategies and massive calls for voting reform to some kind of proportional system. The reason itā€™s so difficult to get voting reform in Canada is that R might never form a government again, so they lobby very hard against it.

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          I lost you near the end on ā€œL voters will vote C to prevent C from winning.ā€ I guess you meant to prevent R from winning?

          Itā€™s interesting that L is big enough to not simply be absorbed by C. There is a green party in the US, but theyā€™re too small to take a significant office so green simply always vote for democrats. The natural forces of what you describe has forced the country into a bipolar 2 party system. Itā€™s interesting that that has not happened in Canada.

          It could be related to voter turnout. In the US republicans are hardcore voters. They are vastly outnumbered but liberals are a mix of lazy voters and voters who are just bad with paperwork and canā€™t get their shit together to get registered and get to the polls (often attributed to being overworkedā€¦ canā€™t afford to leave their shit job to stand in line at the polls). So republicans only take power when dems donā€™t make it to the polls. Hence why republicans have a shit ton of anti-voting tactics to increase the procedural burden of voting, blocking Sunday voting, etc. If voter turnout were higher, I wonder if the green party would be bigger with more influence comparable to Canadaā€™s NDP.

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            I lost you near the end on ā€œL voters will vote C to prevent C from winning.ā€ I guess you meant to prevent R from winning?

            Yes, corrected. Thanks.

            Historically, our left has been far too large, far too radical, and far too vocal to be absorbed. There was a point at which that looked possible. Then the original right party (Progressive Conservatives, centre right) got taken over by an extreme right party (Reform, but keeping the ā€œConservativeā€ name for brand continuity, hiding their roots). That lit a fire under the left (NDP), leaving the centre left (Liberals) scrambling for relevance, which they did manage to find.

            The reason we have so many parties is that our terms of federation, our constitution, and the parliamentary system itself make it easy for regional parties to form and then gain national prominence. For example:

            • the NDP started as the CCF, an Alberta party, a version of which managed to gain provincial power in Saskatchewan, then introduce single-payer health care in Saskatchewan.

            • The Reform party started as an Alberta-only party that ultimately did the equivalent of a hostile takeover of the Progressive Conservatives.

            • The Bloc Quebecois is a Quebec-only party that manages to stay nationally relevant due to the size, population, and culture of Quebec.

            When I say ā€œprovince-onlyā€, I donā€™t mean an actual provincial party that runs in provincial elections, but a party that is registered at the national level, but with few or maybe no candidates outside the founding province.

            Our provincial parties and national parties are kept separate. Thus the British Columbia NDP does not answer to the federal NDP. In my memory, it was pretty much a given that Saskatchewan voters would vote NDP (left, but not hard left) in provincial elections and approximately split their votes between the original Progressive Conservatives (centre right) and Liberals (centre left), even though there was a federal NDP.

            If different ways of creating federated systems exist on a spectrum, Canada would fall somewhere between the American system and the European Union.

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    Correction: Many states have open primaries, meaning you donā€™t need to register with a party to vote in primaries (but you can only vote in one). Illinois has open primaries, for example.

    Illinois also requires two-party consent for voice recording, meaning you can only be filmed in public without sound.

    You can also file taxes here for general delivery, meaning you donā€™t need to have a mailing address, you just get your documents sent to the post office for pickup, no PO box needed.

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      Correction: Many states have open primaries, meaning you donā€™t need to register with a party to vote in primaries (but you can only vote in one). Illinois has open primaries, for example.

      Is there any reason to register a party affiliation in the case of open primaries? The more important question: if you vote in a democratic primary, is it public that you did so? If yes, then the privacy factor would be mostly the same.

      (edit) I just noticed there is a national voter reg form (paper format) and for Illinois the instructions say:

      ā€œ7. Choice of Party. Leave Blank. Exception: for primary elections, unless a voter only wishes to vote on public questions, a party preference should be indicated.ā€

      Seems a bit counter-intuitive considering the open primary. The instructions for Ohio seem more intuitive for an open primary than any other state in those instructions:

      ā€œ7.Choice of Party. You do not register with a party if you want to take part in that partyā€™s primary election. Party afliation is established by voting at a primary election.ā€

      Illinois also requires two-party consent for voice recording, meaning you can only be filmed in public without sound.

      That has some interesting relevance to my other thread. I wonder if you call Discovercard customer support from Illinois whether they can take your voice print without your express consent.

      You can also file taxes here for general delivery, meaning you donā€™t need to have a mailing address, you just get your documents sent to the post office for pickup, no PO box needed.

      Thatā€™s surprising because you would need to know that you have something waiting there. If I send you some correspondence via general delivery (ā€œposte restanteā€ in French which is internationally recognized), you would know about it unless I told you in some way. General delivery sits for 2 weeks and if not collected it gets returned. So you would have to visit the post office every 2 weeks and ask if the IRS has sent you anything, correct?

      W.r.t to the topic at hand, itā€™s interesting to note that homeless people can register to vote if instead of an address they unambiguously write their usual hang-out where they can often be found; e.g. ā€œpark bench near Main St. and Broad St.ā€, ā€œunder the yada yada bridgeā€ or use the address of a homeless shelter.

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        Yes, it will be public that you cast a vote in that primary. You are not required to register a party, they donā€™t even ask. I refuse to register for a party, even when I lived in South Dakota, where declaring a party is part of registering, I register independent.

        Yes, they inform you that you will be recorded before they start the recorded portion of the call.

        Yes, with general delivery itā€™s on you to check. And I know this exactly because I helped a bunch of unhoused neighbors file to get their stimulus a few years back.

        I canā€™t help but wonder if you could register to vote with ā€œno fixed residenceā€ even if you have a home, as though you were homeless. Something to look into.

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          Yes, they inform you that you will be recorded before they start the recorded portion of the call.

          I suppose that could be considered ā€œconsentā€. I think Discovercard always said something like ā€œthe call will be recorded for QAā€, but there was a recent change. Now they say add something like ā€œyour voice will be used to identify youā€ (i.e. voice printing), which seems to be an extra measure of intrusion.

          Under some legal theories a simple notification would not hold up as /consent/. Well, I could be confusing EU law. Not sure about Illinois but consent in some contexts (e.g. certainly in the GDPR) must be ā€œfreely givenā€ in which case there must be a clear choice. If service is refused as a consequence of non-consent and the consent was requested for a collection that was not actually necessary for the performance of the contract, then the consumer was not actually given a choice but rather a ā€œbend over or fuck offā€ ultimatum in which case consent fails to be ā€œfreely givenā€. I guess the legal standards of protection in most of the US is probably quite poor on this. CA has the CCPA which I have not read but it would be interesting if they have any fairness clauses along those lines.

          There is a trick in some 2-party consent states that you can use against the corps. Suppose a telemarketer calls. You can ā€œaccidentallyā€ have an answering machine pick up and start a greeting shortly after you answer and as soon as you realize itā€™s a telemarketer. Then you shout over the greeting and say ā€œlooks like my answering machine downstairs picked up at the same time; is it okay if I let that go?ā€ Telemarketers never think itā€™s a trick to record evidence of their illegal call, so they usually say ā€œsure, no problemā€.