So I made a comment on worldnews criticizing Chinese activity in the south china sea and apparently got banned for it by the automod. This happen to anyone else? Is this Lemmy’s version of the need help post and the shape of things to come?

The instance I posted in was Lemmy.ml

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    No it’s not.

    The closest to support for capitalism would market socialism, but that still involves public ownership of the means of production, which is in difference to the defining feature of capitalism, private ownership of the means of production.

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      not just private ownership, but structures that ensure an increasingly concentrated private ownership by ever fewer people who use that advantage to create a set of rules that further increases the ownership gap

      ie a system where the owners of capital get to make the rules

      capitalism is antithetical to democracy

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      It is though. This is what people mean when they say so much of internet leftism is outdated and misinformed.

      Treating capitalism as a Boogeyman is outdated. Capital modes of production are a tool which can be wielded by market socialists towards the ultimate goal of post scarcity, classless society, the same as any other other economic structure. Putting dirty words in in a particular historical box is just as dumb as worshipping those words. It’s modernist garbage, plain and simple, and all to often this gets manifested as braindead “everything I hate is capitalism.”

      The goal of socialism is worker control of production. This is often in conflict with capitalism in practice, but is not orthogonal to capitalism in theory. This is a large part of contemporary leftist theory which has developed over the past 50 years, and dismissing it reveals pretty stark amateurism imo

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        You’re the first person I’ve ever heard say “internet” leftism is outdated.

        I think you’ve just convinced yourself that it is because you don’t agree with it mate.

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          Yes, it would definitely seem that way if your primary exposure to leftist ideas was leftist internet forums, where leftism is primarily about revolutionary fan service and gatekeeping leftism.

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            Except it isn’t my primary exposure?

            My views largely predate the Internet.

            Like I said, keep telling yourself you must be right.

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      I guess there’s this American sense of capitalism as an ideological commitment to letting the forces of the marketplace run wild, and that once you regulate the markets it’s not capitalism any more. That’s laissez-faire though - there are other forms of capitalism as well. In the broadest sense capitalism basically boils down to having a market economy, which a lot of leftists are in favour of.

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        In Finland, the social democrats are leftists only in right wing rhetoric. Their actual politics are definitely still inside capitalism and not actually leftist. One could consider them centrists in a way

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        Scandinavian countries are not leftist.

        They’re some of the most left leaning of Western countries, but they’re not actually on the left side of the spectrum, they’re just less right.

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            Yes historically Soc Dems were part of the left, that leftist element is now referred to as Democratic Socialism.

            Soc Dems still sought to do away with capitalism by transitioning to socialism, they just wanted to approach it through gradual change of the system.