I’m not sure whether the version of this I saw previously was the original and this post was cropped, or if this post is the original and the other text was added later. But I much prefer the context here:
Ahh see this I can get behind, reminds me of the Soviet anti alcohol poster that’s become a meme too
Good original intent, less good modern applications
The dawn of nationalism was definitely the mistake of the previous age I think. Peoples should be able to self govern autonomously, but not under a guise of “the nation” which inherently forms an out group to be excluded.
I like the Arabic/American way to do it, “You wanna be one of us? Well then you’re already half way there!”
I speak very little Arabic but my teacher has told me that I already know enough to get the long list cousin’s welcome among most L1 speakers lol.
What if instead of taking it as saying all things are symmetrical we take it to mean that we have a tendency to consider outsiders to be “savage” or simply “other” even when the evidence doesn’t support that? Then this shitpost would be more like a warning against xenophobia.
You chose an interpretation you didn’t like just so you could dismiss it. And you don’t think your goal in doing so is to feel intellectually superior? You’re another.
What if instead of aggressively going off on people we consider that they may have valid experiences shaping their worldview, and that their point is not even necessarily opposed to ours anyway?
I think we have the same point here - and there’s no aggression. That’s more of your cyber brain fleshing out details of a person one cannot know but only touches through a singular on-screen opinion. You attributed aggression because it went with the context. See how quickly this shit happens? And people are actually dismissing the meme… it’s happening right in front of us
One side thinks the answer is “do fascism”, so I think it may be fair to conclude that one of the proposed answers is at least wrong in every situation.
Until the third paragraph, it sounded like something you might think was reasonable for lefties to do. Then I got to the bits about cutting regulations to promote fossil fuels and, according to an “anonymous source” (which I frankly don’t trust because it’s from a biased newspaper,) weaponizing the DOJ and national guard against critics.
One faction has a messiah fixation, thumps a Bible they’ve never even read (they just let some pastor tell them what’s in it), obsesses over guns and other peoples’ private (by which I mean sexual) lives and reproductive organs. They’ve been told and so believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was about the sex, but it was about righteousness and hospitality - and these are two things that they themselves lack completely.
There is a real problem, a real danger, because it fits historical patterns we’ve seen before - the so-called “ideas” that they spout with the language that they use - and they end up mindlessly, senselessly bringing EVERYBODY down with them.
They are a menace to all of us. Including themselves, but they don’t see it. And neither does the “both sides” argument, a lazy excuse for not acknowledging that the proverbial emperor has no clothes.
I’m not sure if this “faction” you speak of is really as clear cut as you think it is. Nor whether it’s being depicted in the comic. You’re specifically reading your “faction” belief into this comic in order to criticize it.
What would the other “faction” be? Would it not be people in the same country? Does the meme even apply at that point?
This shit is clearly about xenophobia and all of you responding with Reddit Buzzwords are completely missing that point. In fact, you’re contributing to xenophobia by refusing to recognize it. You might have more in common with the “bible thumpers” than you realized.
After we stop pretending that the morally superior view is one where everyone is equally awful.
Being sympathetic I get what the picture is trying to convey. Really ask yourself if different is worse or is it just different.
Being realistic it smells of in every conflict everyone involved is evil. And that simply is not always true. Giving a real world example is the invasion of the Ukraine. There is no both sides in this. One is a democracy the other is a dictatorship. One is defending their homeland and the other is invading. One of it loses is looking at genocide and the other if it loses has some egg on their face. They are not the same.
Ah yes, the runaway Reddit train of: “Anyone who sees anything in the world as more than plain good vs evil is evil”
Like most subreddits, what started as an interesting idea (calling out people who supported fascism by saying anti-fascism was as bad as it) devolved into an absolutely moronic circlejerk (anyone who says anything is the same as anything else is a bot).
Because it isn’t always true? Sometimes you government just has regular levels of suck while the other government is really awful. I am confident that the South Korean government has room for improvement I am not willing to put them on the same level as North Korea. Plus you can look at migration flows. There is a reason why some countries have people willing to risk death to get into and other countries people are trying to get out of.
no, you’re just so lost in years of political memes that you can’t understand a simple point anymore. this isn’t about fuckin Russia or fascism or the election. it’s about demonizing and polarizing our equals. and you’ve clearly eaten that fuckin bait in one bite, you’re experiencing so much cognitive disonancia that you can’t even see beyond your own petty politics and just worry that OMG SOMEONE ISNT CALLING THE THING I DONT LIKE A BAD THING ITS BAD BAD BAD CMON thats this entire fucking thread and the entire political landscape around here, no I’m not okay and none of you are. I’m so fucking sick of internet politics and everyone’s fucking unnuanced cliches and worthless calls to arms
That’s a pretty easy opinion to have when that “difference of opinions” isn’t over your right to live and be considered a full human with full and equitable human rights.
This sounds more like you’re lashing out because someone NCed you after getting tired of your peacekeeper complex moving you to try and shut them up whenever they were getting into it with the weird uncle at Thanksgiving because “you’re the reasonable one come on please just take the high road here!”
when that “difference of opinions” isn’t over your right to live
WHERE in this meme does it specify any of that? The point of this meme is that both scenarios are EXACTLY the same.
YOU CHOOSE to say “Well what about when they aren’t the same! I bet you call them the same then too!”
Or these absolute lunatics who are calling me a… Putin supporter? Where the fuck is that coming from?
You all need a SERIOUS DETOX from this political shit. This is no longer about awareness or collective action or “bearing witness to the end” or whatever justifications you make to spend your hours posting this nonsense. This is about detachment from actual human connections where we experience real differences of opinion and find ways to mediate those differences
As for whatever that fantasy is at the end of your comnment, you’re even farther from the truth than the morons calling me a Putin supporter. but that’s an appropriate example of the kind of DELUSIONS that online politics are forcing you into. someone says ONE FUCKING THING and you suddenly WRITE AN ENTIRE STORY for them to conform to who you believe would hold that one opinion. stop treating people like fucking abstract ideas and shut the fuck up and LISTEN for once. stop dismissing everything and calling everything counteraction!
at the end of the day all I’m talking about is learning to understand others, and we’re getting lost in these discourses. stop just dismissing everything for once and fucking listen
I guess we’re at the point where any nuance is lost and you’re just gonna throw the third set of buzzwords out. But oh well, hey, “it’s just c/shitpost” right! Or maybe if that’s the case, political matters deserve more nuance than a shitposting community can deliver, and by showing half-assed engagement in political discourse this way we become part of the problem.
This feels dangerously close to some EnlightenedCentrism nonse
I’m not sure whether the version of this I saw previously was the original and this post was cropped, or if this post is the original and the other text was added later. But I much prefer the context here:
Ahh see this I can get behind, reminds me of the Soviet anti alcohol poster that’s become a meme too
Good original intent, less good modern applications
The dawn of nationalism was definitely the mistake of the previous age I think. Peoples should be able to self govern autonomously, but not under a guise of “the nation” which inherently forms an out group to be excluded.
I like the Arabic/American way to do it, “You wanna be one of us? Well then you’re already half way there!”
I speak very little Arabic but my teacher has told me that I already know enough to get the long list cousin’s welcome among most L1 speakers lol.
Yeah i’ve learned not to trust this kind of simmetrical worldview, even when it makes me feel smart for being above it.
What if instead of taking it as saying all things are symmetrical we take it to mean that we have a tendency to consider outsiders to be “savage” or simply “other” even when the evidence doesn’t support that? Then this shitpost would be more like a warning against xenophobia.
You chose an interpretation you didn’t like just so you could dismiss it. And you don’t think your goal in doing so is to feel intellectually superior? You’re another.
What if instead of aggressively going off on people we consider that they may have valid experiences shaping their worldview, and that their point is not even necessarily opposed to ours anyway?
I think we have the same point here - and there’s no aggression. That’s more of your cyber brain fleshing out details of a person one cannot know but only touches through a singular on-screen opinion. You attributed aggression because it went with the context. See how quickly this shit happens? And people are actually dismissing the meme… it’s happening right in front of us
Hmmm it’s almost as if politics and ethics are very nuanced and one answer is never correct in every situation…
One side thinks the answer is “do fascism”, so I think it may be fair to conclude that one of the proposed answers is at least wrong in every situation.
Yes, every right-wing politician is pushing for ‘do fascism’
Probably like they did your mom last night. BOOM GOTCHA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025?wprov=sfla1
Not as hard as right wing simps get did by reality.
Until the third paragraph, it sounded like something you might think was reasonable for lefties to do. Then I got to the bits about cutting regulations to promote fossil fuels and, according to an “anonymous source” (which I frankly don’t trust because it’s from a biased newspaper,) weaponizing the DOJ and national guard against critics.
How do you read the first paragraph and think any of that was ok, left or right?
The spoils system is awful and should remain a relic of the past.
Oh, I don’t like it either way, but “paint as much of the government our color as we can” is par for the course.
One faction has a messiah fixation, thumps a Bible they’ve never even read (they just let some pastor tell them what’s in it), obsesses over guns and other peoples’ private (by which I mean sexual) lives and reproductive organs. They’ve been told and so believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was about the sex, but it was about righteousness and hospitality - and these are two things that they themselves lack completely.
There is a real problem, a real danger, because it fits historical patterns we’ve seen before - the so-called “ideas” that they spout with the language that they use - and they end up mindlessly, senselessly bringing EVERYBODY down with them.
They are a menace to all of us. Including themselves, but they don’t see it. And neither does the “both sides” argument, a lazy excuse for not acknowledging that the proverbial emperor has no clothes.
I’m not sure if this “faction” you speak of is really as clear cut as you think it is. Nor whether it’s being depicted in the comic. You’re specifically reading your “faction” belief into this comic in order to criticize it.
What would the other “faction” be? Would it not be people in the same country? Does the meme even apply at that point?
This shit is clearly about xenophobia and all of you responding with Reddit Buzzwords are completely missing that point. In fact, you’re contributing to xenophobia by refusing to recognize it. You might have more in common with the “bible thumpers” than you realized.
Now tell me something you didn’t learn on Reddit
What do you mean?
It is quite literally implying “both sides actually same!”
It’s addressing the concept of demonization, a la Israel and Palestine. It’s via these mechanisms that other people are dehumanized.
Not Karen v Karen at the pta meeting.
“Glorious leader” sure sounds like a pretty direct reference to the Kim dynasty.
Aww yes enlightened centralism
Miss.
Again it’s about any group demonizing another.
The process of generating the “subhuman” other based on misinformation.
It’s not about holding people to their honest record.
Playing the middle and saying “both sides” is completely different than what this image is displaying.
Miss.
Again it is about exactly what I said. “Our glorious leader” is not about other people it is both sideism.
It’s about playing both sideism.
What side are you on in Russia-Ukraine? No question dodging “enlightened centralist”.
If your whole view is just shit reposted on Lemmy about American politics sure.
You’re just exposing your field of vision.
Miss. Again.
Can you talk without using buzzwords and pop-quizzes on irrelevant shit?
After we stop pretending that the morally superior view is one where everyone is equally awful.
Being sympathetic I get what the picture is trying to convey. Really ask yourself if different is worse or is it just different.
Being realistic it smells of in every conflict everyone involved is evil. And that simply is not always true. Giving a real world example is the invasion of the Ukraine. There is no both sides in this. One is a democracy the other is a dictatorship. One is defending their homeland and the other is invading. One of it loses is looking at genocide and the other if it loses has some egg on their face. They are not the same.
Ah yes, the runaway Reddit train of: “Anyone who sees anything in the world as more than plain good vs evil is evil”
Like most subreddits, what started as an interesting idea (calling out people who supported fascism by saying anti-fascism was as bad as it) devolved into an absolutely moronic circlejerk (anyone who says anything is the same as anything else is a bot).
Strawman.
Buzzword.
Nope.
Because it isn’t always true? Sometimes you government just has regular levels of suck while the other government is really awful. I am confident that the South Korean government has room for improvement I am not willing to put them on the same level as North Korea. Plus you can look at migration flows. There is a reason why some countries have people willing to risk death to get into and other countries people are trying to get out of.
no, you’re just so lost in years of political memes that you can’t understand a simple point anymore. this isn’t about fuckin Russia or fascism or the election. it’s about demonizing and polarizing our equals. and you’ve clearly eaten that fuckin bait in one bite, you’re experiencing so much cognitive disonancia that you can’t even see beyond your own petty politics and just worry that OMG SOMEONE ISNT CALLING THE THING I DONT LIKE A BAD THING ITS BAD BAD BAD CMON thats this entire fucking thread and the entire political landscape around here, no I’m not okay and none of you are. I’m so fucking sick of internet politics and everyone’s fucking unnuanced cliches and worthless calls to arms
Good God it’s like I can hear how white you are!
That’s a pretty easy opinion to have when that “difference of opinions” isn’t over your right to live and be considered a full human with full and equitable human rights.
This sounds more like you’re lashing out because someone NCed you after getting tired of your peacekeeper complex moving you to try and shut them up whenever they were getting into it with the weird uncle at Thanksgiving because “you’re the reasonable one come on please just take the high road here!”
WHERE in this meme does it specify any of that? The point of this meme is that both scenarios are EXACTLY the same.
YOU CHOOSE to say “Well what about when they aren’t the same! I bet you call them the same then too!”
Or these absolute lunatics who are calling me a… Putin supporter? Where the fuck is that coming from?
You all need a SERIOUS DETOX from this political shit. This is no longer about awareness or collective action or “bearing witness to the end” or whatever justifications you make to spend your hours posting this nonsense. This is about detachment from actual human connections where we experience real differences of opinion and find ways to mediate those differences
As for whatever that fantasy is at the end of your comnment, you’re even farther from the truth than the morons calling me a Putin supporter. but that’s an appropriate example of the kind of DELUSIONS that online politics are forcing you into. someone says ONE FUCKING THING and you suddenly WRITE AN ENTIRE STORY for them to conform to who you believe would hold that one opinion. stop treating people like fucking abstract ideas and shut the fuck up and LISTEN for once. stop dismissing everything and calling everything counteraction!
at the end of the day all I’m talking about is learning to understand others, and we’re getting lost in these discourses. stop just dismissing everything for once and fucking listen
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
I guess we’re at the point where any nuance is lost and you’re just gonna throw the third set of buzzwords out. But oh well, hey, “it’s just c/shitpost” right! Or maybe if that’s the case, political matters deserve more nuance than a shitposting community can deliver, and by showing half-assed engagement in political discourse this way we become part of the problem.
Man you are just the fattest piece of troll bait I’ve ever seen, it takes literally nothing to set you off bro.
It’s still odd seeing people proudly being racist. It will be great when you all go slithering back to your holes.
Ok Putin