Yeah okay the doomerism is too much

But that isn’t Capricornus

Yeah cool! This is a bunch of ways that GPS has meaningfully improved the way some things work. I totally agree with that.

I’m really not, but aight, just assume bad faith I guess.

Either you’re being obstinate or we’re just talking across purposes. I’mma out 'cause this conversation now sucks :(

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Instantly knowing where you are on a map has fundamentally changed several aspects of our lives? I really disagree.

I could well be the weirdo but it’s fundamentally changed no aspects of my life. I would love to know how it has others.

This statement confuses me somewhat, is it a bit? The “crazy” difference in my life without GPS would be: I’d have spent some more hours of my life looking at maps to work out where I am. That’s what we did when I was a child and it really didn’t take long.

That’s honestly it.

Well sure. But at no point in history did nobody ever have significant others. If you’re including that in your assessment then only humans who’ve lived their whole life in solitary confinement have nothing to lose.

I’m very over the childish tendency to condemn colloquialisms as a lib/redditor thing. I’m using words to communicate a point. You understood that point. So they did their job.

Yeah sorry I don’t buy this shit either.

You’re basically saying “if you hate your genocidal society then why do you participate in it?” .

Libs are just under the incorrect belief that by voting for the lesser evil they are “improving things somewhat” . Doubly so where in many (though definitely not all) cases, it’s a factual error, not a values one. And I really struggle to blame individuals for that.

Newsflash: The minerals in your electronics were partially or entirely mined by child slavery, why are you willing to throw them under the bus??? Turns out participating in society is required, and so you just act within it in a way you think is best to improve things.

I’m not even sure this is true. I would give up all my shit in an instant if I thought it had a 0.001% chance of changing things. I think many people feel similarly.

Israel: Commits war crime that literally explodes a child.

USA: Why would Hezbollah do this

Yes, we know you’re speaking, that’s very much the problem.

Trump’s out to instantly wither the state and have the ultimate claim that he beat the communists to the finish line

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If I’m not borlotti I will kick off

My simplest kick back would be “what other options are there to somewhat improve things?”.

Even if all organising labor in the imperial core achieved was giving workers better access to tasty treats (and that really isn’t the limits of what it achieves) - That’s still deconstructing the power imbalance and giving workers more of a say, politically and economically, and less resources left for bourgeois imperialism and propagandism. That’s good progress.

The reality is that workers in the imperial core really aren’t doing well, and to call them ‘labor aristocrats’ is a bit wild to me. Many are in povertous, sub-human conditions. They’re mostly eating edible-foodlike-products that aren’t food, they’re increasingly dosed on medicines to make them better proles, they’re having all the mental will to live sapped out of them at every turn, and are increasingly compelled to spend every waking hour (and sleeping hour honestly) working or in other form of service to the capitalist class. Even the goal of most treat consumption is to give any leftover money back to the bourgeois class, instead of actually being a pleasant time or connecting with peers.

Organised labor does more than “me have stuff”, I would argue half the point is to build new systems that give people communal alternatives to the capitalist’s insisted way of life.

So yes, I’d argue organising labour is a very obviously and powerful force for good anywhere. But even if you didn’t accept that, there is no alternative. Other than to sit there and let the bourgeois class have full control - And you truly are confused if you think that is anything but the literal worst option.

Antisemicroscopites

A politician deferring to “the law” is just a synonym for “keep the status quo”.

I’m actually only legally allowed to live in the country I live in. That means I get to genocide everybody else here in self-defense?