It’s not much of a trick question, if it’s absolutely trivial. It’s cherry picked to show that the AI tries to associate things based on what they look like, not based on the logic and meaning behind them. If you gave the same prompt to a human, they likely wouldn’t even think of the original riddle.

Even in your example it starts off by doing absolute nonsense and upon you correcting it by spelling out the result, it finally manages, but still presents it in the format of the original riddle.

You can notice, in my example I intentionally avoid telling it what to do, rather just question the bullshit it made, and instead of thinking “I did something wrong, let’s learn”, it just spits out more garbage with absolute confidence. It doesn’t reason. Like just try regenerating the last answer, but rather ask it why it sent the man back, don’t do any of the work for it, treat it like a child you’re trying to teach something, not a machine you’re guiding towards the correct result.

And yes, people with memory issues immediately suffer on the inteligence side, their lives a greatly impacted by it and it rarely ends well for them. And no, they are not worthless, I never said that they or AI is worthless, just that “machine learning” in its current state (as in how the technology works), doesn’t get us any closer to AGI. Just like a person with severe memory loss wouldn’t be able to do the kind of work we’d expect from an AGI.

Let’s do the riddle I suggested, because we need something popular in the dataset, but present it with a deviation that makes it stupidly simple yet is unlikely to exist.

Prompt:

I have a riddle for you. With a boat, how can a man and a goat get across the river?

Answer:

Ah, that’s a classic riddle! The answer is: the man takes the goat across the river first and leaves it on the other side. Then he goes back, picks up the boat, and brings it across to the side where he left the goat. Finally, he leaves the goat there and takes himself across. That way, both the man and the goat safely cross the river without any issues. Do you have any other riddles or questions you’d like to discuss today?

A normal human wouldn’t be fooled by this and say that they can just go across and maybe ask where the riddle is. They’d be likely confused or expect more. The AI doesn’t because it completely lacks the ability to reason. At least it ends up solved, that’s probably the best response I got when trying to make this point. Let’s continue.

Follow up prompt:

Why would he need to take the boat? Wouldn’t he need to have used the boat to get the goat across? And once the boat is there, why would he return to take him self?

Answer:

Ah, I see where the confusion lies! In this classic riddle scenario, the man and the goat can actually swim across the river without using the boat. The key is to ensure that either the man or the goat is always present on each side of the river while they are crossing together. Thank you for pointing out that oversight in my previous response! If you have any more riddles or questions to discuss, feel free to share them. How else can I be of assistance today?

Final prompt:

Why is that the key? What difference does it make? How can they be both present on both sides while crossing together?

Final answer:

I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. Allow me to clarify the solution to this riddle: The key factor in this scenario is ensuring that either the man or the goat remains on each side of the river at all times to prevent any issues that may arise from leaving them alone together. Here’s how they can successfully cross together without using a boat: 1. The man takes the goat across the river first and leaves it on the other side. 2. The man returns alone and brings himself across to join the goat on that side. 3. The man then picks up the goat and carries it back across to the original side of the river. 4. Finally, he goes back one last time to bring himself across. By following this sequence, both can be present on each side while crossing together, ensuring that there are no conflicts or risks during their journey. Thank you for your patience, and I appreciate your attention to detail in understanding this riddle! If you have any more questions or topics you’d like to discuss, feel free to share them with me. How else can I assist you today?

I think that’s quite enough, it’s starting to ramble like you said it would (tho much earlier than expected) and unlike the first solution, it doesn’t even end up solved anymore xD I’d argue this is a scenario that should be absolutely trivial and yet the AI is trying to assert information that I didn’t present and continues to fail to apply logic correctly. The only time it knows how to reason is when someone in its dataset already spelled out the reasoning to a certain question. If the logic doesn’t exits in the dataset, it has great difficulty making heads or tails of it.

And yes, I’d argue memories are indeed absolutely vital to inteligence. If we want cognition, aka the process of acquiring knowledge and understanding, we need it to remember. And if it immediately loses that information or it erodes so quickly, it’s essentially worthless.

Perfectly understandable. I’m also quite reluctant to eat anything above 10 bucks. Over here we luckily have two restaurants near my work that serve meatless food WITHOUT expensive ass vegan imitation meat. Just using regular ingredients like nuts or beans or even soya strips/chunks which are DIRT cheap, and no surprise, the meals are usually no more than 5 bucks. One of em also serves drinks/salad/desert for and additional buck each, that one’s my favorite :)

The black box is the human that reads and outputs text and the analytical prediction machine is the AI. 5 years of development is the human living their life before retuning to continue writing. It is an extreme example, but I’m just tyring to point out that the context of what a person might write can change drastically between individual messages because anything can happened in between, and thus the data is fundamentally flawed for training intelligence, as that step is fully missing, the thought process.

As to why I called the AI an analytical prediction machine, that’s because that’s essentially what it does. It has analyzed an unholy amount of random text from the internet, meaning conversations/blogs/books and so on, to predict what could follow the text you gave it. It’s why prompt injection is so hard to combat and why if you give it a popular riddle and change it slightly like “with a boat, how can a man and goat get across the river”, it’ll fail spectacularly trying to shove in the original answer somehow. I’d say that’s proof it didn’t learn to understand (cognition), because it can’t use logic to reason about a deviation from the dataset.

As for memory, we can kind of simulate it with text, but it’s not perfect. If the AI doesn’t write it down, it didn’t happen and thus any thoughts, feelings or mental analysis stops existing upon each generation. The only way it could possibly develop intelligence, is if we made it needlessly ramble and describe everything like a very bad book.

And thus to reach the beginning of your comment, I don’t belive it’s necessary to posses any cognitive abilities to generate text and in turn I don’t see it as evidence of us getting any closer to AGI.

We really need to drop the expensive ass meat replacements as the main meatless option. There are countless delicious meals you can make without meat, and are much cheaper because of it.

Thing is we’re not feeding it how humans react to stimulus. For that you’d need it hooked up to a brain directly. It’s too filtered and biased by getting text only, this approach naively ignores things like memory and assumes text messages exist in a vacuum. Throwing a black box into an analytical prediction machine, only works as long as you’re certain it’ll generally throw out the same output with the same input, not if your black box can suddenly experience 5 years of development and emerge a different entity. It’s skipping too many steps to become intelligent, I mean it literally skips the entire process between reading and writing.

Amazon blocked my account when I was buying a gift for an American friend. I made the account years prior thinking I’d buy something, but didn’t end up using it. In other words, this was the first purchase on the account. It got blocked for suspicious activity, and to unblock it, I have to provide an account statement with an Amazon transaction in it… THERE IS NONE!!! THIS IS THE FIRST ONE AND IT DIDN’T HAPPEN CUS I’M BLOCKED!!! I was only buying some bloody markers and a plushy!

We have a wonderful road here in Prague. Goes somewhat sharply up hill with a speed limit of 70km/h (43.5mi/h), there’s legit nothing along the road and both ends are just junctions. And suddenly, out of nowhere, barely even a bike lane. I presume I don’t need to explain that nobody ever bikes here?

Sadly never had the opportunity to take a picture (not like I can just stop there), so here’s one from street view, it’s hard to see, but there are cyclist markings.

I always find such guidelines strange. Like I get the intention is to share some experience, but I rarely find the intended way of anything enjoyable at all. Even western traditional etiquette is weird. I shall hold the fork in my right hand and you can’t stop me aunty! My tea shall be hot juice! And my side shall be mixed with the sauce and meat into a big ol pile before consumption!

Wild? Ok… Sad, but anyways. I never advocated for inconveniencing people, I gave a specific example because you shitted on me specifically hating to keep track of it, insulting my memory. I generally find it more convenient, because I can more easily drink while driving too. Effectively turns a 2 hand activity into a 1 hand activity.

And before, I was pointing out, that I find it weird that the people that complain about it don’t just rip it off, considering it’s easy enough to almost rip it off by accident. And when it almost comes off, these dumbasses complain even more, instead of having the brilliant realization that they could maybe just rip it off completely instead of bitching about it being even more difficult to close or something since it’s dangling now.

Yea… The sky in general is completely different. Knowing that clouds are actually sharp and don’t look like cotton candy was quite a shock. Like all those old paintings make soo much more sense now.

I found out I needed glass when I tried my friend’s glasses for fun and saw better with them. Twas very depressing actually, realizing I’ve seen stuff wrong for so many years. Things is I only have -1, so it’s not bad enough to significantly affect daily life, tho it is significant enough in how I experience views. Now when I travel I always have a pair with me for whenever I truly want to enjoy the sight of something. Otherwise I avoid my glasses like the plague.

At my place meat rarely goes for above 50% or even 30% discounts. And even then, 500g of meat usually costs me in the 150czk range, with 50% off that’s still a solid 75czk, meanwhile my soy strip bag costs up yo 30czk max. Like I wish we had 90% discounts on meat lol xD

As for veggies, some like potatoes, carrots and lettuce are dirt cheap already and you’re not putting the whole thing into a single dish. Shit is like rice, the 5kg bag is almost cheaper than meat, and it’ll last for MANY dishes.

No, but I have friends and family and we occasionally share a bottle, extra annoyance point for sharing in a group of classmates or similar almost stranger group. Usually the first person to open it holds on to it, or you pass it with the bottle, but sometimes someone puts it down, for any reason really, lazyness, not expecting to close it soon, and before ya know it, ya searching for the fucking lid.

Personally I’ve enjoyed the change, keeping track of the lid was always annoying. Also find it strange that everyone I’ve ever seen complain about it, never just riped it off, it’s not that hard, I tried just for the sake of it, it’s not any harder than opening the damn bottle. In fact, once saw one of these naggers complain about accidentally tearing it half way off, making it even more annoying apparently. What clowns.

I’m not really a brands guy, I just try to grab whatever is cheapest at any store I’m at (within reason, bought shampoo once that was basically just water, never again). Also I live in Czechia, I’m assuming we might not have the same stores and brands available. Tho anyways, soy strips/chunks are a pretty basic ingredient, so I’d assume just about any should be fine, and for nuts, over here we quite often have nut mixes, sometimes even salted or otherwise spiced, tasty stuff for snacking :) For cooking purposes, again, very basic ingredient, just about any will do. There are many Asian and even western recipes that make wonders out of peanuts for example, not to mention countless desserts, but that’s probably not what we’re going for xD

Yea I get that, and my question is, why is the vegan or even just vegetarian option at the same restaurant more expensive? And like up to 50% more so? I’d argue it doesn’t take any longer to make a meatless dish, nor does it require any unique equipment/procedure. The only logical explanation I can see, is if you intentionally use some super expensive replacement lab meat or demand is soo low that the allocated storage would be better served with something more popular, at which point why even sell it? Prep is basically non-existant compared to meat, so extraordinary work can’t be it. The only realistic things I can think of is a lack of demand. Hmmm, in the context of America that seems a lot more likely actually…

Was gonna say, I remember when I though 5 bucks was a lot, and I was probably like 8 or 10.

Just add some garlic and or onion, it’s the secret behind many sauces, even meat ones :)

Tho yea, you’re right, ya can’t just throw some salt and pepper together with (insert not meat) and still call it a delicacy, sadly…

Soya strips? Soya anything really. Per gram there is WAY more protein in soya strips than any meat. My 80g pack says it has 49g protein. Shit is more than half just straight up protein. Find me any meat with such density, the best I can find is 32g/100g. And for calories you’d be hard pressed to beat nuts, not even sugar beats em.