Aniara (2018)

Just in case you hadn’t seen this follow-up:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gold-apollo-says-it-did-not-make-pagers-used-lebanon-explosion-2024-09-18/

And some info even suggests that this B.A.C. company was a shell company owned by Israel:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/world/middleeast/israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah.html

By all appearances, B.A.C. Consulting was a Hungary-based company that was under contract to produce the devices on behalf of a Taiwanese company, Gold Apollo. In fact, it was part of an Israeli front, according to three intelligence officers briefed on the operation. They said at least two other shell companies were created as well to mask the real identities of the people creating the pagers: Israeli intelligence officers.

B.A.C. did take on ordinary clients, for which it produced a range of ordinary pagers. But the only client that really mattered was Hezbollah, and its pagers were far from ordinary. Produced separately, they contained batteries laced with the explosive PETN, according to the three intelligence officers.

When things get bad enough, people will revolt to build a better system.

An optimist, I see!

since English isn’t something you’re comfortable reading

I’m having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren’t even arguing with you!?

Here’s their list, if you’re curious.

I post this not to endorse Jill Stein, but rather because I wanted to see the info for myself so that I could understand what they consider an “elected position”.

These are the criteria they use to decide who counts.

I hope you’ll at least consider putting in some legwork toward leftist praxis, as well. The things you’re complaining about are not going to change if that’s your only plan of action.

As a friend of mine liked to say… “Your passport to complaining is your willingness to do something about it.”

If you’re interested, I can point you to a number of local and national US-based leftist organizations that are working both inside and outside the electoral system. They would love to have more volunteers, or even coworkers (depending on how much free time you have). If you’re already involved with direct leftist action, that’s awesome! Please share them with others when you can, so that people can find ways to work toward effecting real change.

To muddle our analysis by insisting that fascism is already here, or that the Democratic party is fascist, or that liberals are fascists or the midwives of fascism, or that Democratic party voters are voting for fascism, is to disarm ourselves against the fascist threat. It is defeatism to shrug our shoulders saying that both parties are fascist, and a disservice to the many antifascist militants in our own country who have been killed, injured, and locked away in prison while struggling against this extremely serious threat. To assume that January 6th was a hyped-up myth, or to belittle its gravity, is a dereliction of our most solemn duty as Communists and workers in the belly of the beast.

https://www.cpusa.org/article/the-united-states-is-not-a-fascist-country/

What next?

Supposing that were true, what should we do about it?

Thank you for this comment. The work we need to do in order to effect change extends far beyond the ballot box, but strategic thinking at the ballot box is an extremely important step.

Voting dem in 2024, to me, is a lot like tying a tourniquet on someone with a gaping wound. You sure wish you weren’t in a position where you had to do it, and the work isn’t over once it’s been tied, but it’s a hell of a lot better than saying “I don’t believe in tourniquets” and letting the person bleed out. Sorry, I know that’s not the best analogy, but I’m too exhausted to workshop it anymore at this point.

Also, thank you @auk@slrpnk.net for fixing up the code and deletion issue.

Looking back now, I realize that in 1968 at the age of 21, I was functioning on a dualistic or binary cognitive developmental level. I perceived the world, people, and events as either “good” or “bad,” and I saw pragmatism as a form of “surrender.” Viewing both Humphrey and Nixon as “bad,” I could not honestly vote for either without surrendering my ideals and ethical standards.

Using this event as a constant touchstone in my personal history, I now understand the cosmos more in its multiplicity, its nuance, along a continuum rather than as a binary. I also often consider pragmatism not so much as surrender, but more as compromise and as a necessary give and take in a democracy.

Not quite as simple as checkboxes, but the ability is there to some degree!

Be that as it may, I’ll still use my vote strategically to ensure that the slide toward fascism is as slow as possible, personally. I am not an accelerationist. I feel that I can more effectively perform direct actions, agitate, and educate others in service of leftist ideology during that time. Ideals without sound strategy are little more than masturbatory.

You don’t have to have be a democrat to vote against fascists.

I’m not a democrat, but I plan to use my vote strategically, since fascists have a propensity toward murdering their ideological opponents. You can call the DNC fascist all you want, many do, but I’m less inclined to believe that they’ll try to murder leftists vs the US right wing.

Your ideological purity will not save you from a fascist’s bullet.

I think he still is!

Oh wait, I just realized that you probably mean the “Environmental Protection Agency.”

Here I was thinking you meant the “Eager for Punani Association.”

Never mind, this just isn’t worth my time.

We’re talking about these sorts of Democrats.

I was trying to be funny and use some hyperbole. I guess I failed, as I so often do. Sometimes exaggerations can help to illustrate a point, and I admit I’ve gotten so used to seeing people on here talk about how voting for dems in 2024 is foolish if you’re a leftist that I just automatically lumped you in with them. I apologize for that.

I don’t consider myself a particularly virtuous person, if we go by the dictionary definition. I didn’t intend to claim that my actions made me virtuous. The subjective nature of morality would make that rather pointless, anyhow. My discussion of virtue signaling in this case was more about acknowledging that on some level most people engage in performative acts meant to ingratiate themselves to their preferred social group.

I’ve got nothing to prove here, and I think I’ve made my point as much as I can before we both just start repeating ourselves; That strategy extends beyond the voting booth. I’m going to continue to do what I can in public digital spaces to keep people excited to vote and prevent a second Trump presidency, even if that means I have to tone down my online critique of democrats for a few months. I will continue to critique them in spaces where I can be sure that said critique doesn’t chill voter turnout, though.

I’ve had a good time discussing this stuff with you, thank you for the interesting conversation, and sorry if I came off as a jerk! I’m going to try to get off of social media for the night, but I’ll probably be on again tomorrow or later in the week if you want to continue to discuss/debate how online discourse can shape elections!

I hope you get a chance to see BR sometime soon, too! Always a pleasure to find another fan online!

We’ll have to agree to disagree. In this instance I think anti-dem chatter on lemmy is more likely to chill youth turnout than it is to push the Democratic party leftward. I would prefer you didn’t assume me to be a liberal, if that was meant to be an insinuation. We leftists do an awful lot of fighting and virtue signaling within our in-group and I am now and have been guilty of it myself… plenty.

For what it’s worth, my vote in US “democracy” is and always has been a function of strategy. My life, on the other hand, is and has been dedicated to radicalizing myself and as many people as possible through dialectic, praxis, and building / maintaining / participating in alternative living systems within the US. You can dig into my post history if you’re curious. I don’t want to virtue signal at you.

Fantastic song! I really enjoyed Age Of Unreason as a whole.

Unfortunately, they’ve cancelled all dates for this current tour, citing “unforeseen family circumstances.” I’m really hoping that this isn’t something band-ending. I’ve been afraid of them calling it quits for years now, and I want to see them live again. I’ve taken every opportunity (when I had the financial ability). That’s only been 2004 and 2016 (with Against Me!, great show), plus seeing Greg do his solo thing in 2017 when he toured for the release of Millport.

https://youtu.be/pi1VkYNMafY?t=453

No one. I just thought it was a fun story. If you’d like I can add a part where the left-hand-raiser fearmongers to the abstainers about how awful it is to be kicked in the genitals, though.

Ranting about the awfulness of the democratic party during a contentious election cycle, on a post about third party options, and with so much on the line for marginalized folx… It just seems like a poor strategy to me. The work is in the streets, not in virtue signaling your leftist moral superiority on Lemmy. For now I’m choosing to feign unity and enthusiasm until such time as I can drop the facade and continue with whatever praxis I can muster.

What do I know, though. I definitely don’t have The Answer.