I spent $5 dollars cash buying a hotdog from the Street Vendor last night during the fireworks. Was this written down somewhere or otherwise can this be traced back to me?
And yeah, street vendors raise prices around festivals lol. But I needed a snack so I paid up.
Hopefully next time Democrats can give a better strategy than pretending that immigrants stand together.
Ex: Kamala is Indian and Black. Guess who is coming from a deeply segregated country where they believe certain castes to be racially superior to other castes?
You ain’t gonna get kumbaya togetherness as a message and get the Indian vote. You’ll be seen as naive.
Democrats are shit at understanding politics or how groups think. Republicans have outplayed you on this political point and it’s why the racial politics are more 50/50 than you expect.
Okay, three days since this warning. Closing topic now.
Real question: if we just parked our cars in the streets during these events and blocked the road, what could they do about it?
Yes I get that my license plate is on there and that maybe I’ll get a ticket. But think about how many of those people actually have options beyond recording on their phones that is also nonviolent.
Don’t drive aggressively into their cars or whatever but it shouldn’t be too hard to organize a blockade down the road a bit.
One car is a hassle and needs a towing. 20 cars would be very difficult to remove. Of course it depends on territory (they might just drive off road and around) but consider your local geography and with some planning surely there’s a bottleneck that can be a real headache to them.
It has been multiple days since this topic was created. The original poster has seen my moderator-tagged message on the top of this post by now, and has even responded to other posters in this topic.
I’ll give it a few more days before locking. As a new rule, I’d like to say that the original topic creator should be able to adequately explain why their topic deserves a “Best Of Lemmy” if pressed by the moderators or community. Upon failure to discuss or otherwise uphold the spirit of this subcommunity, the topic can be locked, deleted or otherwise killed.
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This doesn’t feel like a BestOfLemmy to me. But it’s not bad enough for me to delete it.
I know everyone has different opinions on various matters. But the argument here isn’t even good in its original context.
That being said, I’m thinking of locking this topic as I doubt any good can come from it. I would like to highlight good discussions across Lemmy (including political ones) but this just isn’t very good on any objective basis.
This is kinda bad ‘I don’t care that you care’ in too many words.
That’s all well and good.
But if enough of people voted for Kamala, we would have been out of this mess. And that’s the honest truth.
And now I see a topic about people making fun of Chuck and Jeffries. Okay, lets go see where that goes in a few years. Yall are fucked and can’t even build your own political coalitions or support your own fucking guys.
You guys ain’t my team. I consider myself conservative.
This entire fucking exercise is me coming over to liberal heaven in a mild hope that y’all can learn how to fucking realpolitik enough to beat Trump. Because y’all fucking suck at it.
I’d rather have reasonable conservatives in charge. But that’s not an option. The goal now is to give Democrats / Liberals a bit of an idea of what fucking works and how to grab onto the reins of power for yourself, and so to remove it from Trump.
But yes. Please tell me how I’m an Ideologue.
Yes yes yes. And there’s no difference between Trump and Kamala. I’ve had this discussion before.
If you don’t like it, then either get a different server or get more creative and less predictable. .ml users all sound the same to me. I know where this discussion is going and I’m just shortcutting it to the end to save us some time.
Glory to China, death to America, Imperialism, NATO expansion and all that jazz. Yes I know I know.
Tankie: a liberal more interested in fucking up other liberals than actually going after Trump or conservatives.
denies a currently active genocide and tries to equate it to the USA.
Ah, a typical .ml post. Yes.
I feel like there isn’t an assertion that the police would act out from ignorance of the law, but just how they operate. If anything the enhanced legal awareness may embolden them to know how far they can push the line and get away with it.
More importantly, their enhanced legal training means that in say, 80% of cases, I’d expect an Officer to win in most legal fights vs a typical layperson (ex: typical protesters).
Yes we have some incredible abuses out there and it’s important to bring up Police Abuse to raise awareness. But there’s also the pragmatic truth that we cannot expect for protesters to truly match up well in a legal fight vs Officers.
There’s some dumbass advice out there about knowing your rights and asking the officers badge number and stuff. I think for most laypeople, this is bad advice because the typical protesters or layperson will mess up in the interaction. The proper recommendation when dealing with officers is to remain quiet and call your lawyer, and then have your lawyer always speak for you.
Policemen have more experience with the law than you.
It is a liberal fantasy to think that spouting a few words here and there could pin these guys in an ethical or legal dilemma. The officer has likely heard the argument before whatever you think you are pinning them on.
I’m not saying that means Officers are ethical people. But I’m trying to make sure everyone understands the threat here.
The protesters will fuck up first. We need to be ready for this. It only takes one protester to step out of line while the officers here are politically savvy and know what they can (and do) get away with.
The smart aren’t planning for how to escalate these protests. The smart are planning for the inevitable crackdown after a building is looted and the arson starts, and the police use that as an excuse to crack skulls with legal backing.
Our move after that, I dunno. But that’s happened in 2018, 2019, even 2012 with Occupy Wall Street. Building our coalition vs Trump will be harder but I get it, protesters need to strike back in anger after aggressions at this level. Just know we are getting actively outplayed by Trump as these predictable events happen.
You will be unfairly demonized. Republicans will get law and order propaganda on Fox News. Your Boomer grandparents will fall for the propaganda.
But where’s the silver lining here? What can we do to turn the tide in our favor despite this? I think we can start pointing out the overreach of the President here taking over States authority. We can use January 6th and Trump’s pardons against him. We need to start preparing these arguments moving forward.
The soldier vs officer discussion is important because I do think the soldiers are more ignorant of these matters, in a good way. Soldiers didn’t sign up to be riot squad or crack down on protesters. The National Guard do want to save the country from Wildfires and Floods (under normal circumstances).
Police easily will side with ICE. National Guard probably sides but there is a Hail Mary argument we can make to them (National Guard shouldn’t be riot squad) that could get them to flip.
I expect that if National Guard has a higher chance of fucking up and shooting a protester than a Police Officer. They know this however, but that’s the fear we can actually take as an argument point.
The idea that conservatives are unthinking dumbasses or ignorant people who can be convinced of a greater truth is a horrible, horrible liberal lie. Conservatives think deeply about these things and have already preplanned how they should act and react to various news. You liberals need to start thinking at least as deeply as they do on these subjects if you hope to win this coming political battle.
Is USA actively genociding the Uyghurs right now?
Not the fake genocide people though Biden/Kamala was doing. I mean actual genocide camps and forced sterilizations.
Doomerism on the correct contexts is correct.
We shouldn’t expect a military coup on this issue. The vast majority of soldiers will take the side of Police and ICE on this issue and proudly stand by them.
Doomerism here allows us to focus our efforts elsewhere, where it’d be more fruitful to strike back vs Trump.
I’m not saying it’s what we want them to receive.
But Police are constantly surrounded by lawyers, criminologists and judges. You ain’t convincing them of anything, they have higher trusted authorities on the issue of law and a single officer likely have stood inside of courtrooms longer than you and me and everyone else in this thread combined. (Unless we have a lawyer in the peanut gallery??)
So this idea that you can just call them ignorant of law (and consequently, capable of learning or changing their opinions on these issues give. Am online debate) is… grossly optimistic.
You have to see them as legal professionals. Not necessarily legal authorities (like a judge or lawyer). But as a legal professional, cops almost certainly know more about law then the typical person. Enough to be dangerous.
Trained enough to be stubborn.
This isn’t war. It’s political action.
It’s beginning to be violent political action though. Strategizing in these times and thinking ahead is going to become more important.
We convince officers and other respected leaders to coup at the right time at the right signal.
But we also accept that the Grunts and dumbasses are gonna dumbass. Maybe you can get like an E-8 or E-9 on our side but don’t give much effort to E-3 or E-5.
But sitting around hoping that the military just magically appears on our side (that leans hard into Libertarianism at best and outright far right hooo rah at worst) is dumb.
No it can’t, not without major hallucinations and/or basic errors (ex: Black People tend to be misidentified).
That’s the big thing about this AI push, it’s subtle mistakes are fucking people over right now. If AI actually worked reliably that’s another thing. But right now, people are mostly pretending that AI works and/or ignorant of its flaws.