Look I don’t think it’s a productive way to come to some kind of agreement to ignore your statements, I just felt like you started out kinda strongly saying that it would be something specific to Israel that they should stop existing because they committed genocide.

I recently listened to a talk by Ilan Pappé and what he said was both scary and very logical. Israel can only exist as a Jewish supremacist state. They want all of Palestine without Palestinians. They tried everything they could with Gaza, expelling people, „giving“ it to Egypt, establishing settlements, making it an open air prison. Nothing has worked to get rid of Palestinians, so this genocide is happening because they’re out of ideas.

And I think any state that acts like that or can only exist like that should not exist, period. What about the Israelis? They have a right to exist because they’re humans, but they would have to live in a democratic state (as opposed to the apartheid state they’re currently living in) and there would have to be equal rights for everyone.

Not that Palestinians are a cultural monolith but that would make them the majority of the population and that would also mean that Jewish Israelis would lose both power and privilege, something they would never accept. So the solution exists and it can exist without anyone being genocided but such a state would not be Israel anymore, for me that’s okay but for Zionists that’s impossible.

Hope you understand now where I’m getting at.

From the river to the sea is not forbidden in Germany. There are several court rulings on this. Ironically, when Netanyahu wants a Jewish ethnostate from the river to the sea, that is perfectly fine for the same people who erroneously claim that saying „ From the river to the sea“ would be forbidden to say.

Yeah I’m just really confused by how you’re at the same time able to oppose colonialism as a concept but also not willing to acknowledge that whatever happened to other people is happening in the exact same way to Palestinians. Explicitly Palestinians being colonized by the Zionists. If it was wrong in Africa, in the Americas, in Australia, it’s wrong in Palestine too.

Colonies can never exist without oppression, dispossession and dehumanization of the colonized, and consequently a feeling of superiority, otherwise the whole thing won’t work.

It doesn’t matter at all that Israel is a Jewish state. It is a settler colonial state and settler colonial states should not exist per se.

Premise: European authorities will bend or abuse existing laws.

Articles from credible sources: provide evidence for European authorities bending or abusing or simply ignoring existing laws.

This posters conclusion: I don’t actually know. Anyway I’m just leaving this here for anyone unfortunate enough to follow this conversation until this point. No idea what else to do with trolls like this 🤷‍♂️

Alright got it. So for example were the Mayan states part of the UN? What kind of state were they organized in? What about people colonized by the Mayans?

So are established cities and locations and being nomadic without having a state designated by the UN enough for being protected against colonization?

Yeah so you didn’t read a single article. You didn’t even bother to read the headlines that I copy & pasted for you. How are Germany, Italy, Greece in Eastern Europe? more than half of the articles are about them.

Apart from that I don’t see how your ad hominem attacks are relevant or productive for having this conversation.

So do I understand correctly that colonizing most of Africa, and e.g. the USA, Canada or Australia was not wrong? I’m not aware of indigenous people being organized in states. Hence, the colonization must have been okay by your logic?

CEAS: “Breaches of core legal principles are going to become the new normal”

Greek coastguard threw migrants overboard to their deaths, witnesses say

Hungary’s Migrant Abuse Is ‘Matter of Urgency,’ European Agency Finds

Canceling Palestine by Slavoj Žižek

Are your tinned tomatoes picked by slave labour?

Detention, Insecurity, Rights Deprivation – The Legal Crackdown on Asylum Seekers in Germany

The Serbian borders are heavily affected by pushbacks and police brutality

Here’s something for you to read. Took me literally a few minutes to put all of this together. There’s so much more. Most of Europe is slowly sliding into fascism and you somehow believe I am in a „victim pit“ by pointing that out? It always begins with the most vulnerable people. And then as a leftist suddenly you’re a „terrorist“ for criticizing the government and off you go.

Found the hasbara bot. Just for the record states have no eight to exist. This concept doesn’t exist.

Let’s assume for a second though that states would have such a right. When Nazi Germany committed genocide, hell yeah people said that state shouldn’t exist and they were right to say so. Apartheid South Africa, that state also shouldn’t have existed in the first place.

To spin this further, the settler colonial states that got established through genocide on the indigenous population, e.g. the USA, Canada and Australia should have never existed in the first place. It’s not so difficult.

Hence, why should I agree to an anyway non existing right for a settler colonial state to exist that can only keep existing through genociding the indigenous population and otherwise keeping it under an apartheid regime.

You are very naive if you think that the German authorities would not bend or abuse such laws. If you’re a white German and as such not a victim of the systemic racism prevalent in the institutions of pretty much all European countries, you can’t understand this. Good for you but you’re incredibly privileged to an extent that you don’t seem to grasp based on your reply.

All I see in the news is German police beating up pro-Palestine protestors and politicians trying to silence everyone who is pro-Palestine. Even worse trying to cut funding for researchers who speak out against police brutality against peaceful protestors inside universities. Never again for Germans equals never again Jewish people and apparently nothing more.

Honestly I’m happy that a person like FlyingSquid is a mod here. I’ve seen some cases that may have been debatable but I didn’t have full context and every time some troll like this shows up moderation seems very reasonable to me.

Reviewer 2 has actually read my whole paper and gave me a minor revision for fixing grammar. I don’t know if I should thank them or curse them forever for blocking publication.

Thank you for this comprehensive account of all the events that have led to the current situation and for presenting us with the only two options available.

Hasbara has become so lazy. They used to write shittons of stuff making everyone tired to argue with their bs but this is just a lazy way of lying I’m lacking words for it.

I wonder how the result of an investigation of the IDF against itself will turn out. I’m sure there’s gonna be lots of „you you you“s been given out, not really for doing this in the first place but rather for the fact that they got caught on camera.

I understand what you’re saying I just don’t get the point of saying it, of course Zionists think they’re the good guys because again, colonizing relies on oppression, dispossession and dehumanization of the colonized, and consequently a feeling of superiority, otherwise the whole thing won’t work.

Sorry, I have the ebook and in there it’s page 94. Here are the references, as said no primary source but he’s referring to his previous books and it may just be trivial to reference at this point. But I’m not from the field and haven’t read every book of him. In general though as I said he is considered credible by the academic community except Zionists.

The relationship of the Palestinian Mufti is also discussed in more detail in the same chapter. Highly recommend reading the whole book.

If you’re really keen on verifying this maybe just write a mail to Pappé? In my experience professors actually do answer to such questions.

This both sides narrative related to Palestine is not accurate because this is about a colonizer and a colonized people. I personally don’t believe that there’s any scenario where the colonizers are the good guys because colonizing relies on oppression, dispossession and dehumanization of the colonized, and consequently a feeling of superiority, otherwise the whole thing won’t work.

Mentioned on page 94 (Chapter 4) of 10 Myths About Israel by Ilan Pappé. To be straight forward with you I couldn’t find the primary source of this statement in there but I think it’s in one of his previous books which are all referenced as sources for this chapter. In general, Pappé is considered credible by the academic community except by Zionists of course, though their opinion on this topic doesn’t count for much imo.