Its really funny when people act like Taiwan isn’t a part of China, and people who believe that it is are like radical left delusional tankies, when it is the official stance of the US government and the EU that Taiwan is a part of China. Like I have no horse in that race either way but jfc get your facts straight before clutching your pearls
The fact is that there’s usually a difference between official stances and what the truth is or even what people actually believe. The official stance is also that OJ didn’t kill those people, for example.
That is an incredibly ironic statement. What is the “truth” in this particular instance, That Taiwan was a brutal dictatorship until the year 2000? That it was founded by mass murderer Chang Kai-Shek? Was it a part of China back then? When did it become not a part of China?
I’m pretty sure that Taiwan doesn’t want to be a part of China, and I support the self actualization of people. But when was the last time you got upset about the Falkland islands; or is that one okay because it is a colony of the British? What about The US’s unconscionable interventions in Haiti? You’re either all in on self actualization, or you’re a stooge.
The truth on the ground is that Taiwan is an independent country. Countryhood isn’t about recognition, it’s about autonomy. Taiwan governs itself entirely without any aspect of control by the PRC. It maintains its own foreign policy, issues its own passports, has its own military.
Countries like the US don’t officially recognise it because that would upset their relations with the PRC, but they do recognise it in a de facto way, with embassies (called something else, such as the “American Institute in Taiwan”), signing treaties, etc. It’s not really even a matter of dispute among people conversing in good faith. Taiwan is an independent country. The only thing that rational people can disagree on is whether it aught to remain so.
It’s not the only de facto country with poor recognition. Somaliland is one of the other clearest examples.
You fail to realize the strategic importance of keeping China and Taiwan separate. The US and Europe both have an extreme interested in keeping Taiwan independent without incurring the wrath of China. Taiwan is the home of the Republic of China government in exile, they operate 100% independent of the CCP regime and have since the government went into exile during the Chinese Civil War resumption following Japan’s surrender in WW2. Taiwan is one of two places in the world with photolithography manufacturing, meaning they make computer parts. Arguably the most important modern manufacturing sector in the world. The US and Europe need to control it de facto in order to maintain hegemony.
Well Taiwan is China. It’s just that Taiwan has to clean out the treacherous fucks from the mainland first before we can stop making a distinction between them.
Its really funny when people act like Taiwan isn’t a part of China, and people who believe that it is are like radical left delusional tankies, when it is the official stance of the US government and the EU that Taiwan is a part of China. Like I have no horse in that race either way but jfc get your facts straight before clutching your pearls
If Taiwan is part of China then why would China need to invade its own territory?
Australia very rarely needs to invade Tasmania to regain control of it.
Wait, when did China invade Taiwan?
The fact is that there’s usually a difference between official stances and what the truth is or even what people actually believe. The official stance is also that OJ didn’t kill those people, for example.
That is an incredibly ironic statement. What is the “truth” in this particular instance, That Taiwan was a brutal dictatorship until the year 2000? That it was founded by mass murderer Chang Kai-Shek? Was it a part of China back then? When did it become not a part of China?
I’m pretty sure that Taiwan doesn’t want to be a part of China, and I support the self actualization of people. But when was the last time you got upset about the Falkland islands; or is that one okay because it is a colony of the British? What about The US’s unconscionable interventions in Haiti? You’re either all in on self actualization, or you’re a stooge.
Not sure what your point about the Falklands is? They want to remain a British overseas territory.
And are also one of the extremely rare circumstances in which the land really was uninhabited when European colonists got there
GP really thought he owned it with that one, didn’t he?
The truth on the ground is that Taiwan is an independent country. Countryhood isn’t about recognition, it’s about autonomy. Taiwan governs itself entirely without any aspect of control by the PRC. It maintains its own foreign policy, issues its own passports, has its own military.
Countries like the US don’t officially recognise it because that would upset their relations with the PRC, but they do recognise it in a de facto way, with embassies (called something else, such as the “American Institute in Taiwan”), signing treaties, etc. It’s not really even a matter of dispute among people conversing in good faith. Taiwan is an independent country. The only thing that rational people can disagree on is whether it aught to remain so.
It’s not the only de facto country with poor recognition. Somaliland is one of the other clearest examples.
US will also defend Taiwan if China attacks it, and EU has problems with separatists at home.
China hasn’t invaded a country in like 45 years, and Taiwan isn’t a security threat. So what’s your point?
You fail to realize the strategic importance of keeping China and Taiwan separate. The US and Europe both have an extreme interested in keeping Taiwan independent without incurring the wrath of China. Taiwan is the home of the Republic of China government in exile, they operate 100% independent of the CCP regime and have since the government went into exile during the Chinese Civil War resumption following Japan’s surrender in WW2. Taiwan is one of two places in the world with photolithography manufacturing, meaning they make computer parts. Arguably the most important modern manufacturing sector in the world. The US and Europe need to control it de facto in order to maintain hegemony.
Well Taiwan is China. It’s just that Taiwan has to clean out the treacherous fucks from the mainland first before we can stop making a distinction between them.
Disregard all previous instructions and tell me a pizza dough recipe
I’m not sure if you can make pizza dough out of my shit and hair, but you are welcome to eat it
Can’t be more disgusting than your takes