Oh, so now you’re changing what kind of theoretical sanctions you want.
I’ve not changed anything, except put a finer point on what i’ve been saying from the outset - that Isreal, the US, and the other genocide collaborators should face justice for the terror and suffering they’ve caused in Palestine. Whatever sanctions already in place have not changed Israel’s ability or motivation to continue their genocide, so more and stronger punitive action is needed. One “official” route - a minimum standard of justice - would be UN sanctions supported and adhered to by western UN member states. The UN’s refusal/reluctance to do so is kind of the broader analytical point that I don’t feel you’re ready to discuss.
The UN has never stood for peace. It has stood for legal means of warfare and applying a coat of paint on bloodshed, so it’s official bloodshed instead of your standard bloodshed.
Finally a point of agreement. The UN and NATO were both created to legitimize the violence and statecraft of western-allied nations against a shared ‘enemy’. Perhaps i’ve been too tongue-in-cheek for you - the sanctions and punitive actions taken by the western world through the UN have always been against the US’s preferred enemies, and have always selectively ignored actions taken by the US and others, even when the evidence of war crimes and genocide are overwhelming. And yet it would be foolish to deny that the UN is the only collective body with any real weight, and there are certainly none that stand meaningfully opposed to western hegemony.
It’s important context for someone on the left, because to those who stand opposed to western crimes then have no “official” path to justice. You can take from that whatever conclusion you like.
All it requires is for Hamas to declare itself government and surrender.
Look at how selective you’re being with your condemnation.
I don’t care about it. Nothing justifies violence. Why do you struggle to comprehend this?
Clearly not “nothing”, if you stand in support of Israel’s war and occupation of Gaza. There are some forms of violence that you clearly recognize as legitimate. I don’t struggle to understand what you’ve said, I struggle only to show you the contradiction in your omissions.
Oh god forbid I highlight Islamic Terrorism about a conflict between Israel and Islamic Terrorists
A true “neutral” liberal would say that it is a war between jewish terrorists and islamic terrorists. I don’t even care that your sympathies lie on one side of the conflict or the other, but I do take issue with your cowardice to acknowledge it. There are no good guys in this conflict, and there’s a choice you’ve made here that is consistent with all of your other comments on the topic that shares a striking resemblance with the sentiment expressed in the cartoon you refuse to acknowledge.
As the moderator of a community nominally dedicated to opposing hate speech, you sure do seem to have a blind spot when it comes to Muslims.
Damn, OP is a psycho. Thanks for fighting the good fight; you’re a far more patient person than I.
These “anti-tankie” folks seem completely incapable of nuance. Either you support everything the west does, or you must be a tankie who doesn’t believe in Tiananmen Square. There’s no third option it seems.
I’ve not changed anything, except put a finer point on what i’ve been saying from the outset - that Isreal, the US, and the other genocide collaborators should face justice for the terror and suffering they’ve caused in Palestine. Whatever sanctions already in place have not changed Israel’s ability or motivation to continue their genocide, so more and stronger punitive action is needed. One “official” route - a minimum standard of justice - would be UN sanctions supported and adhered to by western UN member states. The UN’s refusal/reluctance to do so is kind of the broader analytical point that I don’t feel you’re ready to discuss.
Finally a point of agreement. The UN and NATO were both created to legitimize the violence and statecraft of western-allied nations against a shared ‘enemy’. Perhaps i’ve been too tongue-in-cheek for you - the sanctions and punitive actions taken by the western world through the UN have always been against the US’s preferred enemies, and have always selectively ignored actions taken by the US and others, even when the evidence of war crimes and genocide are overwhelming. And yet it would be foolish to deny that the UN is the only collective body with any real weight, and there are certainly none that stand meaningfully opposed to western hegemony.
It’s important context for someone on the left, because to those who stand opposed to western crimes then have no “official” path to justice. You can take from that whatever conclusion you like.
Look at how selective you’re being with your condemnation.
Clearly not “nothing”, if you stand in support of Israel’s war and occupation of Gaza. There are some forms of violence that you clearly recognize as legitimate. I don’t struggle to understand what you’ve said, I struggle only to show you the contradiction in your omissions.
A true “neutral” liberal would say that it is a war between jewish terrorists and islamic terrorists. I don’t even care that your sympathies lie on one side of the conflict or the other, but I do take issue with your cowardice to acknowledge it. There are no good guys in this conflict, and there’s a choice you’ve made here that is consistent with all of your other comments on the topic that shares a striking resemblance with the sentiment expressed in the cartoon you refuse to acknowledge.
As the moderator of a community nominally dedicated to opposing hate speech, you sure do seem to have a blind spot when it comes to Muslims.
Damn, OP is a psycho. Thanks for fighting the good fight; you’re a far more patient person than I.
These “anti-tankie” folks seem completely incapable of nuance. Either you support everything the west does, or you must be a tankie who doesn’t believe in Tiananmen Square. There’s no third option it seems.