Noah’s reboot didn’t work 🤷‍♂️

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    4 days ago

    Established monotheistic religions dogma nearly always has their god as a male. You find female gods in polytheism; Wicca recognizes a goddess who tends to be considered “the top god”, but it’s a polytheistic religion with deities of both sexes (modern Wiccaanism may have adopted genderless deities for inclusively, idk). I an aware of no major monotheistic religions that allow that god may have no gender.

    OP is speculating about “a” god, implying one of the monotheistic religions, and probably Christianity or Judaism - in both of which God is absolutely and unarguably defined as male. They’re religions defined by men, naturally with a man at top.

    If you’re going to throw out Jehova and Allah and all the other dogmatically male gods of popular monotheistic religions, why not just shit-can the whole absurd idea of religion instead of trying to twist it to yet another different silly religion?

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      I don’t think monotheism was a big thing before. I just suspect that early religions were created with a respect and fear of nature and that the deities served as a foil for all the forces of nature around humans. Our way of life was to live among divinity, and in reverence to it. Then monotheism arrives, alongside so called “civilization”, sedentarism allows dominion over nature, and a new philosophy comes. This philosophy is a dogmatical undermining of the creative forces of nature (mostly represented as femme) in favour of a pragmatical and extractive view (“you will not have any god other than me”) allowing for a disrespect of natural resources that a direct connection to our current climate change problem.

      It was a direct attempt at removing the ancient values of coexistence with nature, starting with oppressing femmininity and undermining what they historically and spiritually represented.

      I am not throwing out monotheistic religion, I am not throwing out religion at all. You are right in saying I’m “exchanging” one religious view from another, but my feeling is that the original meaning of spirituality has been tainted by ancient propaganda.

      This is all speculation, I’d be lying if I said otherwise, but in seeing the powers that be today and the way they act, and think…it just all seems so convenient to say that humanity is “naturally” inclined to fuck up their land. I do not believe that. I believe that humanity is naturally inclined to be gullible, and that someone made us believe we were above nature and should destroy and make violence to it, exactly what we are taught to do with women and feminility in general.

      I just don’t believe it is a coincidence

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        I don’t think monotheism was a big thing before.

        It wasn’t. There’s an established theory that the earliest religions started with pantheism, believing that things in the natural world had spirits - wind, trees, animals; you’d make offerings to the rain spirit if you wanted rain.

        Then it evolved into - they’re animals, but also gods. Think Egyptian pantheology.

        Then it evolved into, gods are just really powerful, ageless people who are responsible for certain aspects of human life, and who live in a great version of the best thing we have: Ceres makes your crops plentiful, and lives in Mount Olympus; Freya helps you make babies and lives in Valhalla.

        Then it evolved into monotheism. There’s only one God: Allah, Jehova, Yahweh. Although, it should be pointed out that the old testament - the Tora, abridged - doesn’t say there aren’t other gods, but only that you shouldn’t worship them. In the ancient Semitic writings, Yahweh actually has a wife (Asherah); some scholars believe they ruled together. This is technically henotheism, but that’s for religion nerds; we generally consider Judaism monitheistic. The new testament changes this and claims there is only one God - one of the Christian Bible’s very many self-contradictions. But it’s a really good view at the progression from polytheism to monotheism, all in one book.

        The Jewish God is absolutely a dude: he has a wife. The Christian God is a dude, if only because he’s always, invariably referred to as “he.” That’s not surprising because Christianity is just Judaism, part II. The Islamic God, Allah, is also canonically male.

        We still have lots of great, living examples of the whole range, and others I haven’t mentioned: Shinto, Buddhism, Wicca, and a variety of indigenous religions still practiced around the world. We even see a resurgence of some indigenous religions that never quite died out and are becoming more popular.

        • Pantheism: everything is an aspect of god
        • Panentheism: god is in everything
        • Deism: We are, each of us, God
        • Polytheism: There are gods
        • Henotheism: There are gods, but only one is the right one
        • Monotheism: There is only one God
        • Atheism: There is no god
        • Agnosticim: Maybe there’s a god?

        The point, though, is that there’s evidence of a evolution, each belief system growing out of the previous, each making Man more significant in the grand scheme of things, and that monotheism is fairly late in the game. Deism might be the most recent to come along; IDK, I’m not really up to speed on current theory.

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          Religion is politics, and I think the abrahimic religions were the most succesful propaganda of all time. I’m talking regarding humankind and its relationship with the test of nature. Religione got turned into a weapon against the actually creations of divinity