It wasn’t just gay bars. There was a specific effort by the government of the DDR to combat homophobia. Also, trans surgeries and hormones were fully funded by the state. You can read more about it here.
Yeah, in queer liberation zines back in the late 80s and early 90s, there were a fair amount of trans East Germans who were worried about the unification of Germany and what it would mean for their transition. I don’t have the sources on hand, but they were quite sobering.
This is great, thank you! It still seems to be that Cuba just caught up to the US in terms of gay marriage rights. There wasn’t much detail on trans rights. Cuba is far ahead of the US on abortion rights, thanks to a regressive SCOTUS.
I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there’s not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
I 100% agree with your critique of capitalism. It plays a zero sum game.
And actually you’ve made a really smart compelling point - even if liberalism is technically about the personal freedom to be trans, it also largely allows the personal freedom of someone else to discriminate against trans people.
So liberal ideals might have lofty aspirations about trans right, it’s a lot of feel good without actually protecting them.
Thank you for your input, you’ve changed my mind on some things.
Okay, I think neopronouns are dumb, but I will write out every single neopronoun ever created on paper over and over until I have each and every one memorized, if it meant gay conversion camps were all shut down and banned in exchange.
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
Name one communist country that isn’t homophobic and transphobic.
Cuba has the most progressive family code in the world
The DDR had state-run gay bars when West Germany was still locking up gay people under anti-homosexuality laws passed by the Nazis
Can you give me a source to read on Cuba’s family code and what makes it the most progressive family code in the world?
Gay bars are a reallyy low bar for progressiveness.
It wasn’t just gay bars. There was a specific effort by the government of the DDR to combat homophobia. Also, trans surgeries and hormones were fully funded by the state. You can read more about it here.
Here are some sources on Cuba for your perusal:
Damn, I never knew all that about the DDR. Based
Yeah, in queer liberation zines back in the late 80s and early 90s, there were a fair amount of trans East Germans who were worried about the unification of Germany and what it would mean for their transition. I don’t have the sources on hand, but they were quite sobering.
The lib (fascist) won’t respond to this one but thank you!
Into the gas chamber with you
This is great, thank you! It still seems to be that Cuba just caught up to the US in terms of gay marriage rights. There wasn’t much detail on trans rights. Cuba is far ahead of the US on abortion rights, thanks to a regressive SCOTUS.
Here is a summary of its contents. It was ratified by popular referendum by a wide margin, with 2/3 of all votes in favor.
And yet it was still enough to put DDR ahead of West “Let’s have former Nazi judges sentence gay people under laws passed by the Nazis” Germany.
Props for wanting to learn but damn you should do that first before talking shit
I can name the majority of capitalist countries that are homophobic, far outnumbering any communist ones
Yes and capitalist countries also just far outnumber communist countries.
here’s a brief history of the increase in queer rights in cuba
Name one country that isn’t homophobic and transphobic.
Exactly, they’re all homophobic and transphobic, but liberal counties so far have a better track record of pushing the envelope.
I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there’s not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
I 100% agree with your critique of capitalism. It plays a zero sum game.
And actually you’ve made a really smart compelling point - even if liberalism is technically about the personal freedom to be trans, it also largely allows the personal freedom of someone else to discriminate against trans people.
So liberal ideals might have lofty aspirations about trans right, it’s a lot of feel good without actually protecting them.
Thank you for your input, you’ve changed my mind on some things.
What is your opinion on the massive U.S. Industry around “gay conversion” and “troubled teen” camps?
Absolute atrocity.
Okay, I think neopronouns are dumb, but I will write out every single neopronoun ever created on paper over and over until I have each and every one memorized, if it meant gay conversion camps were all shut down and banned in exchange.
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
This is another compelling point.
It’s tricky because, for example, Russia does pretty well on housing rights, but very awful on LGBT rights.
And Cuba seems to be doing better on both fronts.
You must be fucking blind if you think thats the truth
I’m open to being corrected. Which communist country pushed the envelope on human rights protecting LGBT people?