• Liz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    Uh, no, it’s so that everyone has the ability to make the choice for themselves. We could force everyone to live in padded cells for their own safety, but we both agree that’s ridiculous. We’re just arguing over what is and is not an acceptable trade-off between safety and agency.

    • fosho@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      in this case there’s only really 2 options: better for society or better for yourself. you can’t argue it’s better for everyone to have the choice to own killing weapons when it’s clear that position results in more gun violence and death.

      • Liz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Let’s agree your position is correct, I don’t view my position as a personal one in the slightest. I don’t even own firearms. But, let’s say you’re correct.

        Then let’s ban cars. And knives. And motorcycles. And contact sports. And trampolines. And swimming pools.

        Exceptions can be made for licensed professionals who have passed a rigorous training and background check process or (given the correct context) use under the supervision of such a professional.

        All things that are useful to individuals but bad for society because they cause significant amounts of harm. The value generated by these things can be created by licensed individuals or made unnecessary in various ways. We don’t need the general population to have any of these things. And yet, if you find these suggestions absurd then by your own argument there is value in giving freedom to the individual despite harm to society.