• FaeDrifter
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    31
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Friendly reminder that a defining characteristic of a fascist is drawing hard in-group out-group lines.

    (And another is the fetishization and glorification of violence against the out-group)

    • JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Wait, I’m even more confused. Are you saying the OP who posted is creating the demarcations for groups?

      • FaeDrifter
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        The person who I am directly replying to.

        But make no mistake, Israel is also fascist af.

        • JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Wish there was common nomenclature for referring to posters or parts of a comment to make the context clearer. Friends say I am on the spectrum but the Psychologist said that doesn’t seem to be the case.

          Like, OP1 is lame, OP2 supports genocide, etc. to clarify within a thread without having to quote or @ which I find a bit clumsy and generally gets in the way of flow.

          • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Wish there was common nomenclature for referring to posters or parts of a comment to make the context clearer.

            For comments, that’s how I do it.

            Throw one, too, or three asterisks around each side of the sentence you want to highlight.

            No need for special verbage or nomenclature. It’s done visually.

            • JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Yeah I think what I dislike about that is it breaks up the flow of whatever I am writing. There’s a coherence that is lost.

              I’m accustomed to reading books or essays where there might be an excerpt, but more likely a paraphrase of what the author considers their opponent’s argument to be. This makes it helpful at times to pinpoint a misunderstanding in the author.

              But yeah, having consistent rules on the internet for posting is a losing battle I think. More or less thinking out loud, appreciate the comment.

              • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Yeah I think what I dislike about that is it breaks up the flow of whatever I am writing.

                No, It doesn’t have to.

                You can just write it out straight, without formatting, and then after you’re done that go back and add the asterisks to emphasize the parts that you want to emphasize, already having your thoughts jotted down.

          • FaeDrifter
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            This sounds like a great idea!

            I’ll clarify, I’m just putting out a reminder that being fascist is not an inherent trait, like green eyes or dark skin. Literally anyone can fall into the trap of fascist thinking. The only way to be truly anti-fascist is to recognize the warning signs in your own thoughts and worldview.

            So centrism can sometimes be a trap, but don’t demonize the practice of seeing both sides. Taking a hard line with one sides is a step on the path to becoming a fascist.

            • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              So centrism can sometimes be a trap, but don’t demonize the practice of seeing both sides.

              Wise words.

              It’s how Peace is achieved.

              Taking a hard line with one sides is a step on the path to becoming a fascist.

              And War, and death.

              • FaeDrifter
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                For sure I think Nazis and Tankies are both gross, and I have a kind of out-group bias against them, but I never advocate for violence against them.

                Except maybe punching Nazis, but nothing serious damaging or life threatening.

          • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Ah yes, the “I have a black friend” defense.

            I have Jewish friends, so I trust you won’t call me antisemitic for saying Israel is structurally racist and authoritarian.

              • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Why would a Jew choose to live in the West Bank when there’s a much more pleasant country next door offering them citizenship? Your analogy is so flawed I have a hard time thinking you’re making it in good faith.

                • EvilHaitianEatingYourCat@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  5
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Well, according to your own words, Israel is a fascist state, hunting down Arab minorities. I have shown an example how a representative of an Arab minority has held an extremely high rank in Israel society, and I believe this fact undermines your claim, hence Israel is not a fascist state.

              • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Wasn’t Hitlers physician at one point a Jewish person? I don’t think one example is really all that telling.

            • letsgocrazy@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              If you have a Jewish friends then you really aren’t anti semitic are you?

              Such a smooth brain comment.

              Not to mention a huge amount of Israelis themselves criticise the current government and what it’s done.

    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Would that still count if it’s “In group = civilians” " out group = organizations killing civilians"?

      • FaeDrifter
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Definitely wouldn’t count.

        At that point, you’re just someone with values.

      • FaeDrifter
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        My mind is open to considering this. Where is the line I’m drawing, which is the in-group and which is the out-group?