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  • ShepherdPie
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    9 months ago

    A win that Israel will continue to use US weapons against Palestine while we spend 2 months building a dock in order to deliver aid to people that are starving now?

    It seems pretty disgusting of you to call this a ‘win’ and try to deflect criticism against those supporting genocide.

    • gmtom@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Well they are already airdropping food into Gaza which is the only other realistic option. So getting aid into gaza in 2 months IS a win since if they didn’t then NO aid would get into Gaza.

      And you would understand this if you actually gave a shit about these people instead of just wanting to use them to justify you political beliefs.

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        9 months ago

        You’re the one accosting anyone who points out that Biden could end a lot of the suffering if he’d just stop supplying all the weaponry that’s being used on these people. Concern trolling doesn’t really work when you’re the guy openly supporting genocide.

        • gmtom@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          I’m “accosting” you because you’re not arguing in good faith, either because you’re a troll or you’re actually left wing but one of the smug ones that only cares about ideological purity tests that ignore reality.

          Like I get in your incredibly simplistic view of how things work Biden is a mustache twirling villains that gets glee from knowing destinations are dying. And if he wanted to he could snap his fingers, stop weapons sales tomorrow and the genocide would be over in a week, right.

          When the reality is that he is doing what he can to help the situation, but doesn’t have control of either the senate or the house and is arguing with republicans over aid to Ukraine which they tried to tie to aid to Israel. And plus he will have pressure from donors and other important people in the arms industry, during what may be the most important election in US history. So is almost certainly having to do the unthinkable calculus of if he did spend all his political capital on stopping arms sales to Israel, is that worth harming his chances at reelection, seeing as trump will u doubtsbly cause more harm both domestically and in Gaza. And then even if he did stop arms sales, Israel has both huge stockpiles of weapons and its own military production capacity, as well as the fact they’re currently already committed to ground offensives, which don’t rely much on US supplies, so the genocide wouldn’t stop.

          So Biden can either do what he can to get aid into gaza or he can spend all his political capital to stop weapons shipments to isreal, burning US foreign policy in the region, passing of donors and key political figures in a time when he desperately needs then, for no real gain other than a PR victory for the sake of people who will immediately find some new way to demonise him instead.

          • ShepherdPie
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            9 months ago

            This diatribe pretty much boils down to you claiming that polling numbers and donors are more important than the lives of those people being slaughtered over there, going as far as to say stopping weapons shipments is “no real gain” because pandering to donors is more important.

            I’m sure the men, women, and children who will be vaporized into red mist by the next US weapons shipment would disagree that there’s “no real gain” to stopping them. You’re a disgusting individual.

            • gmtom@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              Ah okay, so you are just a troll.

              I’m sorry I wasted my time on you as if you were a reasonable person.