• frezik
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    7 months ago

    Right. If you put in enough chargers, ranges of 300 to 400mi are fine. You need to stop every 2 to 4 hours, anyway, so it’s not a big deal in practice.

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      7 months ago

      Stopping every 2 hours is nuts. 4 hours sure ok. I regularly drive long distances for work and if it’s 6 hours or less I’m going to try to make it without stopping at all.

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        7 months ago

        You’re harming yourself doing this. First, sitting for long periods of time isn’t good, and getting up and stretching every 2 hours is recommended. This applies to office work just as much as driving. Second, urination typically happens every 3-4 hours, and if you’re not, then you’re likely dehydrated or have something else going wrong.

        If you really, really want to do this, well OK, but we shouldn’t put the whole EV transition on hold just to let you do this.

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          7 months ago

          Yeah nothing’s going to stop me and I do far worse things for my health. You’re right though.

          And yeah I was just commenting on the two hour thing which I thought seemed silly. Nothing to do with the original topic of EVs.

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      7 months ago

      It’s not a big deal if you’re only driving a few hours. Longer trips, especially business trips, yes that’s a big deal.

      Not to mention, the real world tests don’t support the stated driving ranges for most models. Ideal conditions hardly ever exist in the real world.

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          7 months ago

          Most people don’t, but some do. I did for a while, when I was working as a construction manager and then again as a generator technician. It’s a big country, with all kinds of people. I think you’d be surprised how many people frequently need to drive ling distances in a hurry.

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            7 months ago

            I’m sure there are people, but I think you’d be surprised how few there are. The vast majority of people make long trips very infrequently - to the point that most could hire a car or find some other means for those situations.

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              7 months ago

              Sure, but first you have to make an EV that 90% of people can afford. And make enough of them for 90% of the market to buy. And maybe do something about interest rates while we’re at it. Also, I could use a back rub. And world peace, maybe.

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        7 months ago

        I get more than the stated range in the summer and less in the winter.

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        7 months ago

        If it’s a business trip where time matters where you can’t afford to loose 25 minutes every few hours, why are you driving instead of flying?

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            7 months ago

            But it’s still going to be fast (and cheaper with wages factored in) to fly while using one of the countless ‘last mile transportation’ options available when the distance is greater than an EVs range while you can’t afford to loose time to charging. The only exceptions I see is those jobs who need tools/supplies on site in which case you are almost definitely taking a fleet vehicle and this whole problem is moop.

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              7 months ago

              I appreciate you trying to problem solve someone else’s job so that your preferred solution makes sense, but have you considered that maybe you don’t have all the answers?

              Flights aren’t cheap.

              Contractors pay for their own transport.

              Contractors aren’t hourly.

              Most small businesses don’t have “fleets.”

              The “last mile” could be 6 hours from the nearest commercial airport.

              Direct flights don’t always go where you need them to go or leave at convenient times.

              You’re right about needing tools and supplies which was another reason flying was a non-starter, but a car is also a place where you can sleep in a pinch. If a job takes longer than expected, you might not be near a hotel, much less a charging station.

              There are a lot of reasons I don’t do those jobs anymore, and I love working from home now. Less than a year ago, I looked for an EV or PHEV that I could afford and would fit four people and a dog. There weren’t any. That was my original thesis, that the cars are still too rare and too expensive for mass adoption. Charging networks are a sub-problem that requires attention, but fixing it won’t fix the primary issue.

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                7 months ago

                Your thesis is fundamentally flawed though because you are taking your situation and extrapolating to the public as a whole. While I’ll agree the market for new EVs is stupid right now the used market is far from. I say that writing this from my 22’ model 3 I paid 18k for used. And that price wasn’t a fluke.

                I’d also like to add the last mile transportation I was referring to isn’t public transport or some ride share app but the industry of van drivers who specialize in business transport. Companies like PTI or Halcon who specialize in getting you from anywhere to anywhere.

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                  I wouldn’t pay $18k for a model 3 regardless, but that’s still a price that is out of reach for the vast majority of people buying a car. I believe you are taking your financial situation and assuming it represents the public as a whole.

                  And if you think most people driving to work can afford a paid transport, that just reinforces the previous point. You’re completely out of touch.

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                    7 months ago

                    The avarage used car loan in the United States is 26k. That price is not “out of reach for the vast majority of people buying used cars”.