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    Because to them, the positions of our rulers are completely immutable while the moral convictions of voters are up for debate.

    A million times, this.

    By far the worst aspect of liberalism is the deflection of systemic critique in favor of blaming the individual instead. When liberal democracy fails it won’t be because people didn’t vote hard enough, it will be because the system failed to respond to the needs of the governed.

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      “As a voter, I have no power and my choices don’t reflect on me at all, but these all-powerful candidates who mysteriously no one supports, certainly not a majority of voters, THEY’RE the ones who are to blame for everything! BTW, Trump and Biden are just as bad, don’t @ me with your whining about ‘minorities’ or whatever, no war but class war!”

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        As a voter, I have no power and my [available] choices don’t reflect on me at all

        You’re actually not that far off. A liberal democracy will never provide choices that undermine its own ideological supremacy. Leftists have always known that true progress is borne outside of the electoral system, not from within it. If that weren’t the case then we wouldn’t have such a deep and rich history of violent and non-violent protest.

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          A liberal democracy will never provide choices that undermine its own ideological supremacy.

          Yes, the evil liberal democracy is tainting everyone’s vote, scribbling it in with sharpie. It definitely couldn’t be that most people are attached to the status quo in every system. No, it’s the LIBERAL CONSPIRACY.

          Leftists have always known that true progress is borne outside of the electoral system, not from within it. If that weren’t the case then we wouldn’t have such a deep and rich history of violent and non-violent protest.

          I’m sure who’s elected doesn’t have any effect on the viability of violent or non-violent protests. Both sides, right? :)

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            No, it’s the LIBERAL CONSPIRACY.

            I think you’ve missed the point there, bud. Systems of power don’t require a conspiracy of individuals to maintain it, they organize themselves.

            most people are attached to the status quo in every system

            You’re so close. Systems of power organize around the distribution of material resources. But you’re right - that’s true with most systems.

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              Ah, so we’re back to “Democracy Bad, the proles don’t know what they want”, great. The Party Line will never lead us astray, though!

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                I didn’t say ‘democracy bad’. I said systems of power do not provide the tools for their own subversion.

                If a system of power grows from the influence of private wealth over a democratic institution, that institution isn’t going to spontaneously provide an option to rid itself of that influence. A democratic institution will always need extrademocratic force in order to keep corrupting influences out.

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                  A democratic institution will always need extrademocratic force in order to keep corrupting influences out.

                  I’m just gonna sit here for a bit. Maybe take up alcoholism.

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                    Maybe consider logging off, touching some grass. Seems like you’re having a bit of a morning.