• archomrade [he/him]OP
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    6 months ago

    Oh, okay, so the overwhelming support for Israel’s genocide these past 20+ years is just, what?

    Bi-partisan American propaganda.

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      Bi-partisan American propaganda.

      So… the electorate looked at a genocide and didn’t recognize it for what it is. Great, glad you agree. Or is it “Imagine having so much contempt for the average democratic voter that you think they literally wouldn’t understand what a genocide looks like if you showed it to them.”?

      Oh, as a reminder, this is the statement of mine you initially accused me of having contempt for democratic voters with; please spot the difference between your claims of propaganda and mine:

      “Most Americans don’t pay close attention to foreign affairs and some 50 years of steady pro-Israel propaganda funded by the Israeli state has entrenched views to the point where the past ~20 years of intensified genocide barely raised a blink in the general population; the current propagandized pro-Israel depiction of the genocide, relying on the atrocities of October 7th, still holds sway in a large percentage of the electorate, as well as the notion of Israel as the ‘only democracy in the Middle East’.”

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        6 months ago

        the electorate looked at a genocide

        So, you think democratic politicians have been showing the electorate a genocide? You think they’ve been making any case for it?

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          So, you think democratic politicians have been showing the electorate a genocide? You think they’ve been making any case for it?

          Ah, I see, you only believe that the electorate can see what their candidates show them. Very interesting and aristocratic outlook on how democracy is supposed to function. I guess we must have just been blessed with magic eyes, or something.

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            6 months ago

            Do you really not think politicians have any power to present evidence to support their positions?

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              Do you really not think voters have any power to see very prominent international issues other than in the narrow frame that a small number of candidates depict them in?

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                Most Americans don’t pay close attention to foreign affairs and some 50 years of steady pro-Israel propaganda funded by the Israeli state

                vs.

                Do you really not think voters have any power to see very prominent international issues other than in the narrow frame that a small number of candidates depict them in?

                Which is it? the electorate is powerless to propaganda or well-informed by a diversity of information?

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                  Which is it? the electorate is powerless to propaganda or well-informed by a diversity of information?

                  Having the POWER to see something and seeing it are two different things. Having the POWER to be informed and being informed are two different things. So, now that that extremely basic principle is hopefully cleared up, and I don’t have to chew it up any more for baby bird here to swallow it, we can return to:

                  So… the electorate looked at a genocide and didn’t recognize it for what it is. Great, glad you agree. Or is it “Imagine having so much contempt for the average democratic voter that you think they literally wouldn’t understand what a genocide looks like if you showed it to them.”?

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                    I believe the american government chooses what narrative they want presented in public media. The fact that the american electorate didn’t see the genocide for the last 20 years is a direct result of 20 years of political propaganda presented by both parties, because israel as a neocolonial project is worth more to them than the lives and sovereignty of palestinians.

                    I believe Biden continues this position despite the fact that foreign-owned and decentralized media platforms have broken through the wall of propaganda and has swayed public opinion against Israel. I believe Biden continues to be complicit in attempting to propagandize the American Electorate and I believe this is very much within his power to stop.

                    I believe Biden will lose to trump, both because of this gross miscalculation and that it has become apparent that it is just a political calculation to him.

                    And I believe you will have no one to blame for a trump presidency other than liberals like yourself who affirm the genocide is happening but deny responsibility in the same breath.

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          The electorate were starting to be shown it, but not by politicians.

          Which is why Congress unified and moved so quickly on TikTok.