• snooggums
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    25 days ago

    But once trump is defeated we’ll all dogpile on.

    So one of the other things that is very frustrating is always being told that we just need to wait until after the next election to criticize anything. Our election cycles never seem to end.

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      24 days ago

      That’s kind of how ‘self rule’ works. You’re supposed to pay attention to politics.

      People not voting is how we got in this mess in the first place.

      Why do you think the GOP’s final defense is always “both sides do it?”

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          23 days ago

          TIL telling people to get involved in politics and to go out and vote is exactly the same as telling them to not criticize the government.

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            23 days ago

            People won’t do those things unless they realize that Democratic neoliberal orthodoxy is also the enemy.

            Criticizing Biden with the goal of awakening the people should be encouraged

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              23 days ago

              So, in a few words, tell me how you intend to reshape the entire political landscape of the United States and usurp both major Parties.

              I’ve had folks tell me since high school that the Revolution was just around the corner, and the masses would rise and rebuild.

              What’s so special about your plan?

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                23 days ago

                how you intend to reshape the entire political landscape of the United States

                Unions and democratic socialism. Aka, the Sanders methodology - and, aka, the way we got the New Deal

                The alternative is either doing nothing and allowing conditions to continue to deteriorate, or supporting an armed revolution that will be instantly massacred by the most powerful military in human history. Neither are plausible options in the face of oligarchy

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                  23 days ago

                  You’re hilarious. They got the New Deal by electing FDR. Without politicians in the White House and Congress, none of it would have happened.

                  You speak against voting, and then mention an elected official [Sanders] and a government policy [the New Deal]

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                    23 days ago

                    You seem to be unfamiliar with the mass labor movements and socialist movements that were present in the late 20s and 30s. FDR and his social democrats were the compromise candidates.

                    You speak against voting

                    Actually I didn’t. Because, as I’ve now said for the 3rd time in this thread, I’ve voted for dems in every election I’ve ever been eligible to vote in.

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      24 days ago

      You absolutely should not be waiting until the next election cycle. You should be voicing your opinion, voting in off-cycle and local elections, and voting for the least harmful option in every election, including the presidential election. It’s a huge machine and voting once every 4 years for the pre-packaged candidate isn’t an effective strategy if you actually want things to change.

      Vote for people that make things better in your community, city, county, state, and then think about federal elections. Displacing the trove of do-nothings or detrimental actors in the smaller elections will change sentiment in the parties and will change the candidates they put through in the primaries… but it will take years for that to happen.

      Either that or revolution… but that’s going to be a whole lot worse for everyone for a few decades, best case scenario.

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        24 days ago

        That’s the problem. Most of the far left idealists don’t give a shit between elections. This happens every cycle. And every cycle they never learn.

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          24 days ago

          Citation please. The most politically active people I know are well to the left of me. The handful of tankies I know in real life are the most active.

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                24 days ago

                Wow. President.

                You know, of course, there’s no chance at all, right? Like, maybe start for 2028? That’s at least time to ramp up?

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                  If they live in a solid blue or red state then there’s no harm in voting for whoever they want.

                  If you live in PA, MI, WI, MN, AZ, GA etc then you should vote for Biden

                  If you live in Oklahoma or California then it doesn’t really matter which presidential candidate you vote for.

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            24 days ago

            Citation? Really? Most of social media is backed up. Go ahead and see how much the SJW’s were caring about Palestine in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2023.

            You do know they have been in conflict since 1948, right? You all act like this shit is new. And it shows in the fact that NONE of you gave a shit about it until now.

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                23 days ago

                Keep telling yourself that. Most people claiming to be “leftwing” aren’t leftwing anyway.

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                  23 days ago

                  There is nothing left about 2014 tumblr and its consequences. That was not a socialist or working class zeitgeist. And very likely was largely astroturfed by ruling class propagandists

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              24 days ago

              “Israel’s been doing this for 76 years!” isn’t the comeback you think it is. Nor is, “Oh, genocide is where you draw the line?”

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                24 days ago

                So…. No response on where you were before Oct 7th? Okay, how about this.

                What were you upset about in 2020? Or… 2016?

                Because we know you couldn’t have been bothered to care in between those years.

                I made my case. You all suspiciously only care during election years when Trump is posturing. And you suspiciously are only critical of his opponents.

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                  24 days ago

                  I voted for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. I was arrested at a Trump protest and shot by a wooden bullet at a George Floyd protest. I’ve volunteered in local political initiatives to make our local government more progressive and more accountable to voters.

                  You know nothing about me, so you just make up things that you think discredits me? What have you done other than punch left on Lemmy?

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      24 days ago

      You and me both. Reddit literally browser finger printed my device and banned me in 2023 because I wouldn’t stop raising the flag on Biden. Now here we are and I want to do the whole told you so shit but I know more is at stake here than any other election I’ve lived through.