context: the debatejak-fan high school friend I’ve complained about before, I’m pressing him on his debate daddy’s claim that nuking the Gaza Strip and annihilating the entire population of it would not be an act of genocide

He tries to say it depends on the context, and I’m like, ‘elaborate’ interviewer

Here is the hypothetical scenario in which an Israeli nuke is launched into the Gaza Strip, killing everybody in it, where purportedly no one is guilty of genocide. I am going to try my best to quote this conversation as close to how it played out as I can.


Let’s say, a rogue IDF soldier sees one Hamas guy in the Gaza Strip, and he launches a nuke to deal with him.

That would still be genocide, dude, the rogue IDF soldier would have committed an act of genocide.

It wouldn’t, because–

What do you mean it wouldn’t?

Because he’s using the nuke without the special intent to kill everyone in the Gaza Strip, he’s using it to get the Hamas guy-

No, wait, when you’re launching a– if you unleash a WMD the results of the action is a responsibility you take on and can be assigned to your– unless a fucking breeze literally takes your nuke and puts it somewhere else, it’s– you assume responsibility for the consequences of your actions, especially if you can comprehend them, which I’m not even going to consider people not knowing what nukes do to be valid.

But it wouldn’t be genocide! He doesn’t have the special intent.


How the fuck did this rogue soldier get the nuclear codes anyways strangelove-wow

  • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.netM
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    8 months ago

    thats such a bs argument. literally any nazi could’ve been like “i was just killing one person at a time, i didnt intend to eradicate an entire people”. there’s a reason we didn’t allow the “just following orders” defense to pass

    “special intent” is a horrible definition of genocide bc intent is near impossible to prove. also intent doesnt really matter, outcome does. there’s no real difference between dropping a nuke on Gaza bc u want to eradicate all Palestinians and dropping a nuke on Gaza “to kill one Hamas guy”. there’s only a difference to libs who want to live in a fantasy world where hitler was some once-in-a-millennium cosmic evil while the IDF is just trying to secure the existence of israel and a future for Jewish children

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      Zeno’s school of genocide denial: well to cleanse a group, first you must cleanse half the group. And half a group is still a group. By induction, it takes an infinite amount of steps, and therefore time, to cleanse groups, therefore no genocide has ever happened. QED.