• GVasco@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 years ago

    Moved to Fediverse to get away from the data hoarding and selling that those types of companies partake in. Really hope most instances will defederate from threads and prevent Meta from collecting more data.

    • fuckyou_m8@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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      2 years ago

      They will collect or probably are already collecting. Even if everyone defederate from Threads, they can and will open a secret instance and get all the data without anyone knowing it

    • nero@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      The only thing they can collect (as long as you aren’t on their services) are the things that are available for the entire world to see. So your comments, usernames etc. are already visible and they won’t get any of your personal data as that’s not known except to your instances admins.

    • axtualdave@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Negative. Zuckerberg is an actual human, not a quasi sentient conglomerate composed of experimental AI platforms developed by the US Air Force to explore alien worlds via the Stargate program.

  • dekatron@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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    2 years ago

    I’m interested in seeing how the enshittification of Threads will unfold. It’s all super neat and cozy right now with a clean UI, no ads, not many sign up nags, and such. When they build up their userbase, we’ll see how the platform devolves.

      • linucs@lemmy.ml
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        2 years ago

        I said in a different thread but: It’s a good, and very scary, reading but I would argue that it does not directly translate here because Lemmy / Kbin and Reddit are not social media per se, they are content focused instead of being person focus. Here no one cares who you are, we are all here for content. The XMPP EEE succeeded because once defederated people were not able to talk to their friends, defederating Threads would cut us off from strangers and their content, it’s not a big deal.

        We’ll see what happens, hopefully the Fediverse will not be another free social media attempt killed by greedy corporates.

    • meldroc@infosec.pub
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      2 years ago

      Well, we have our ace in the hole! When people get sick of being advertised at, move them to the Mastodon client, or Jerboa, or Artemis - no ads, no tracking (unless you keep using Meta’s servers).

  • nefonous@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Can somebody explain me exactly how defederating them would give us a different outcome?

    I’m genuinely curious.

    Meta couldn’t give less fucks about 100k users on lemmy, they are targeting people that isn’t and will never use nor understand what the fediverse is.

    You keep them out, good. They don’t care, they just want to fill their own bucket with stuff that is outside anyway

    Twitter people going to threads is completely independent from anything in the fediverse. Those people won’t even notice any difference if they are federated or not.

    They are in for the brand and the fomo, not the content

    • tookmyname@lemmy.ml
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      2 years ago

      Defederation isn’t about punishing them. It’s about keeping their garbage off this platform, and keeping it separate.

      • nefonous@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        That’s good, but people are proposing it as a defense against an eventual EEE, that’s what I don’t get

  • Saturdaycat@kbin.social
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    2 years ago

    I just started the use the fediverse to get away from Meta (I have a somewhat active Instagram) and Reddit.

    Now unfortunately my userbase is going to threads without knowing what it even is. I’m trying to spread awareness about the fediverse but it’s like yelling into the void. I signed up for threads and will continue to try to post content about the fediverse, but I also have to have an audience to share my art to as I’m trying to build some interest for a game I’m making.

    This really sucks. I feel extremely upset about this whole meta thing. I could continue to try to build from scratch, but I am hoping to release the game next year and I already have 3 years head start on Instagram, it feels bad to also just abandon what I’ve worked hard on.

    I dunno, I’m just venting. I hate Meta. I don’t even have a actual Facebook account. Hell I didn’t know Facebook owned Instagram until a year in.

    I’ll just try to continue to stay active on my fediverse accounts. And try to promote the fediverse on the centralized BS networks.

    • zos_kia@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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      2 years ago

      Hey man don’t overthink it. You need a meta product for work or for a project, just use it professionally. You need to think about your own success and go where your audience is.

      Now on your personal time if you don’t want the toxicity of those places come to the fediverse and let’s have a nice chat.

      I think the goal of the fediverse is not to eat the world but on the contrary to give us alternatives so we can compartmentalize our internet life.

      • Saturdaycat@kbin.social
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        2 years ago

        Thank you so much, seeing the whole threads thing ruined my day yesterday night and this morning. I felt like a sense of hopelessness for the future of decentralized platforms.

        You’re right, I can continue to use both for different purposes.

        Thank you so much. Seriously!

  • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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    2 years ago

    I mean I know why ppl are scared it will kill off the fediverse, but the only thing that can kill off the fediverse is the Devs. As long as they don’t sell it or start involving a bigger company in the development, we are fine. And pull requests are transparent and therefore not a thread with enough common sense.

    I see the risk but I don’t think it’s that imminent.

    • illi@lemm.ee
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      2 years ago

      I don’t think it’s that imminent.

      It’d be best to avert the risk while it’s not imminent though

    • jcg@halubilo.social
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      2 years ago

      Even if they did, whatever open source code is available before they sold the code will always be under that license, meaning if you have an older version of the code you could simply fork it and start a new project with the same codebase. Furthermore, Lemmy is under the AGPL which means you couldn’t even rerelease it under a different license.

  • autumn@reddthat.comEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I’m also concerned about the potential for embrace/extend/extinguish, but searching for other fediverse users and posts is enough of a hurdle that threads might end up naturally staying a fairly separate instance.

    • eee@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Honestly I don’t think the fediverse is big enough for zuck to consider it a threat.

    • Reclipse@lemdro.idEnglish
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      2 years ago

      They should put a hard-coded Meta blocker into activityhub

      That will never happen

    • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Not really, censorship isn’t the solution.

      Edit: I just woke up when I wrote the original comment and I can see that it’s not the clearest piece of text I’ve ever produced. What I meant is that I fully agree with defederating (and I’ll do it on my instance), but I don’t think censoring Meta in the core technology (ActivityPub) is the way to go.

    • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social
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      2 years ago

      Arbitrarily blocking an actor at the protocol level is directly contrary to the entire point of decentralized protocols in the first place.

      I know, Meta bad, but the fact of the matter is that they probably won’t be defederated by everyone, actually, because the idea of being able interact with your real friends and family and other people you know is going to be enticing.

  • meggied90@vlemmy.net
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    2 years ago

    Some clever coding genius should host an instance for a bot they make that stays federated with everyone, and the entire point of the bot is to crawl across posts and anyone posting from Threads gets a nice public reply about why Threads is a toxic instance and they should switch to a non-Meta one immediately.

        • xpsking
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          2 years ago

          I was under the impression GDPR only has to do with personal information, like email. And that threads just doesn’t have authorization yet.

          • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
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            2 years ago

            What you post is also a personal information. And while it’s required for the service to function (meaning they don’t need your permission to store it), they need your permission to use it for marketing purposes, which is pretty much the only reason Meta would even want your data.

            • xpsking
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              2 years ago

              Hmm. This is interesting. I wonder if simply promoting federated posts in an algorithmic feed counts as marketing as it is being displayed next to ads.

              Will be interesting what approach the EU takes in enforcing GDPR for federated apps.

  • Roundcat@kbin.social
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    2 years ago

    Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

    If Kbin or Lemmy allows them to federate with us, I’m out of here.

    • aeroniero@kbin.social
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      2 years ago

      There’s nothing here to leave from in the first place, this place is pretty much empty at the moment. At least when a big player joins the fediverse it will bring users here and we will finally get decent content. The good thing about the fediverse is that the bad actors can just be defederated if things get too bad, unlike reddit for example.

    • Onii-Chan@kbin.social
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      2 years ago

      Same. If kbin joins in, I’m gone. I haven’t been here long enough to give a fuck, but I do love it. I want kbin and Lemmy to make the right decision, but won’t think twice about leaving the second I see things taking an enshittified turn. Fuck off, Meta - nobody wants you here.

      • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social
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        2 years ago

        The beauty of this all is that you can just head to a different Kbin or Lemmy instance. There absolutely will be instances that refuse to federate with Meta.

    • linucs@lemmy.ml
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      2 years ago

      I felt the same way but then I read this and changed my mind about it https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

      Thinking about it I’m in an European country where Whatsapp is the default messenger app, if it had interoperability I could be on another FOSS app and be tracked by Meta just when I talk to people who are on Whatsapp and be free when talking to people not on Whatsapp, this could be great to make people switch “clients”, which is damn hard now because “everyone is on Whatsapp”. Interoperability is the shit and we should embrace it!

      • fuckyou_m8@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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        2 years ago

        We have interoperability for emails but most people use gmail/microsoft , so you could be tracked even if you use protonmail

        • linucs@lemmy.ml
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          2 years ago

          Not if I’m talking to someone on Protonmail, Tutanota, etc.

          Now would you prefer to have the possibility to talk privately at least to someone, even if just a handful of people, or be forced to never talk privately because you must use gmail to talk to anyone else?

          • fuckyou_m8@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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            2 years ago

            Yes, but like I said, most people won’t be on those services so they will be able to collect most of your data anyways.

            Here at least on Lemmy is even worse, because they can get everyone’s data even if you never access theirs instance or they could simply create a shadow one to get the data without anyone noticing

            • linucs@lemmy.ml
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              2 years ago

              It’s not clear, are you saying that since they would get most of my data (which is an already flawed argument since for example now I have my partner, best friends and family on Signal which are 95% of my conversations, as opposed to 5% of people whom I talk to on Whatsapp) I should give them all of it?

              The second point doesn’t even require to have Threads, they could already do that, now what?

        • Irisos@lemmy.umainfo.live
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          2 years ago

          In addition, Facebook already had support for XMPP at some point in time but killed it.

          Why? Because they couldn’t dry users off other platforms after Google closed their own support for XMPP.

          Even if Meta “play nice”, we already know their aim. Siphon users off mastodon and then remove activityPub support when most servers are on life support from loss of users.