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I truly like architecture but I hate fake Christians. They polluted the watering hole so we are all leaving.
Having read their book a couple of times, I’m not sure their own God would enjoy their architecture very much. Considering we still have a lot of poor people and other issues that they could have been fixing all of these years with their money and time, rather than actively crusading against many of them.
I used to work in churches quite a bit and it’s truly fascinating. The one where i live was build in 1810. It’s pretty impressive, just to think that this is one of the first things they build back then, and how much labour and dangerous work and money and resurces went into it and how much better it could’ve been spend. I know it was a different time and having a clock tower and a place to meet people was probably important.
Going in there now is just odd.
30 years ago i didn’t know a single person who went to church for their beliefs and as for right now, not a single person goes to church, and hasn’t for maybe 10 or 15 years. Even as a 8 year old, i found it hard to believe that people really do believe all that, and going in there now, in the year 2024 it’s insane. They have all these elaborate paintings with these different saints who have all these very specific super powers. A guy is there to find lost sheeps for example. How can you look at it and don’t realise that these were just the first pretty lame avengers.Historically, Christianity originated in pagan and polytheistic times. I believe saints being associated with this or that specific topic is to give familiarity to new converts from polytheistic faiths. Basically, there’s only one god, but this saintly specialist will put in a good word for you to him on this topic they’re a specialist on.
I agree with you. It is uswful to note church architecture back in its functional roots. It was an institution of knowledge and for some villages the only place to really learn, so it helped stave off fear but also provided a literal safe building before cannons tore down stone walls. It was a symbol and inspired. We have so much art and TV shows and music and games, we are full cups but back than they needed something to inspire and make cohesion in the group. I totally get it both ways, arranging stones in a precise manner might seem like wealth but it’s just people being precise and being well trained in their skilled field. They worked slowly and could take decades. In native American tribes on Mississippi they created a 300foot mound with temples, in Athens they built monuments up high.
I honestly think it’s odd us humans ARENT trying to be limitless in our inspirational architecture and have left it to capitalism to build . But to your point I think it would be best if we built amazing homeless shelters to inspire rather than amazing churches!
I’m inclined to ignore those roots considering the other atrocities they were committing throughout that time, and most of their history.
Considering we as humans are born from wild animals everything is built on atrocities. As long as we keep remembering and documenting and moving forward progress is made like a sand pyramid in an hour glass that keeps collapsing but slowly builds upward. We built atrocious institutions because we never tried it before or never done to completion. Ignoring positive and holding onto negative is by definition skewed thinking, they kind we fight against all the time. Just my thoughts.
I too struggle seeing any good but come to realize humans do things and learn from things way slower than I’d want…
Good points. But, we also as a society need to do a better job at holding groups committing atrocities accountable for their actions.
To quote Bradburry Fahrenheit 451
" Some day the load we’re carrying with us may help someone. But even when we had the books on hand, a long time ago, we didn’t use what we got out of them. We went right on insulting the dead. We went right on spitting in the graves of all the poor ones who died before us. We’re going to meet a lot of lonely people in the next week and the next month and the next year. And when they ask us what we’re doing, you can say, ‘We’re remembering’. That’s where we’ll win out in the long run. And some day we’ll remember so much that we’ll build the biggest goddamn steam-shovel in history and dig the biggest grave of all time and shove war in and cover it up. Come on now, we’re going to go build a mirror-factory first and put out nothing but mirrors for the next year and take a long look in them. "
Yep. I’ll make the biggest tree ribbon!
Amen to that. You should see how huge and austere the Mormon temples are - everything is sterile and white, big empty marble halls and white with no color or plants or anything. And everyday more news stories about new temples opening across the world. SIGH. If that’s what they imagine heaven to be - a bastion of sterile whiteness - I’ll gladly stay in hell and at least enjoy the vivid colors!
I’m afraid “fake Christians” is a no true Scotsman fallacy. If all the Christians who were not Christlike throughout the last 2000 years were excluded, there would be virtually no Christians. You cannot separate a religion from the atrocities it is responsible for even if those atrocities contradict some of (not all of- read the Old Testament) the teachings contained within their holy text.
I’m gonna say “don’t be Dick” is all God is asking of us and leadership seems to enable it. Which is what drove we away from Christianity as a whole. If leadership fails It should die out.
Your god’s big book says otherwise.
Naa high as f men wrote that.
Once the boomer gen is gone, modern religion in the west probably will be as well
I largely believe this too. There will still be pockets, but I do think that the time is nearly up.
It’s the realization to raise kids in an unbiased way and let them make their own choices that’s killing it
Without access to indoctrinate children as much as they want, religions will die out
With that in mind, watch how they focus more on children to try and survive. Disgusting social parasites
The louder the scream and rant toxic incoherences, the more they drive people away.
The more they drive people away, the louder they scream and rant.They are long past the point of reason and empathy on either side of the chasm they have mindlessly created. As in: they don’t have any, they don’t deserve any.
They are the opposite of wisdom, in every single respect.
While wildly optimistic, but that’d be okay by me.
More likely in my mind is that we see a bit of a resurgence in theist structures based in apocalyptic messaging after this downswing as climate change comes along and starts messing with people’s lives in a negative way. People will be desperate to attribute some meaning to why their community has no water and wildfires burned their house down.
We all know the answer tho, to satisfy the greed of a handful of rich people
Don’t lump me in with them. I’m a boomer and I hate religion and always have, and I am very glad to see attendance dropping as people wake up to the true horrors of such filth.
Not saying all boomers are religious, but the majority of boomers are and they are the reason western religion is still afloat.
I think that’s mostly the case, I know most of the quorums of religious institutions (like here in utah with mormons) are doddering old men in their 80s - I think the’re more from the generation that came before boomers. I know a lot of boomers, and not many of them have any religious leanings.
@tygerprints @Lanky_Pomegranate530 @CaptainSpaceman
There seems to be a trend of generating hate & prejudice between generations recently. Just blame all the ills of the world on previous or subsequent generations.
Imagine the outrage if comments made about generations were made about races or LGBT people.
If you were born into the life of the target of your hate, would you be so different?
We need more empathy & reasoned dialog in the world, not mindless division.I appreciate that. I’ve had a lot of scorn heaped on my head for being a “Boomer,” as if it was sacriligious of me to pick being born in the 50s - surprisingly, I had very little say in it.
And I personally don’t see that I did anything to make the world worse, beyond just living my life the way every one else did. Did I support oil and gas extraction? Well I drove a car - as a kid I never even thought about such things.
Did I help pollute the earth? I came from a family of human consumers so I’m sure I did. I’m not saying we don’t deserve our share of blame.
Yes I’m an older person but I worked hard and did my best in life, I don’t know more I could do. I never engaged in fighting or war with other people or hurt anyone, if I could help it.
I have a spotless driving record, not even a citation. But no one says, “thank you for being a safe driver,” all i get are scornful comments like, “whaddya want, a metal?” “Who cares.”
You can be a good and contributing tax payer your whole life, and someone who has always treated others with respect and acted carefully, and yet still be the target of total scorn and unreasonable hate just because of the generation you came from.
@tygerprints @Lanky_Pomegranate530 @CaptainSpaceman
Well said. I’m from '64 so a very young boomer but strangely my younger brother is Gen X ???Say what you want about boomers but they were the first en masse to:
- Reject mainstream religion.
- Stand up for the environment.
- Address animal suffering.
- Stop using violence to discipline children.
- Take steps against racism.
- Establish women’s rights.
- Recognise alternative sexualities.
- Improve the workplace.
- Resist unjust war.
@CaptainSpaceman @tygerprints
Religion is not really a problem outside USA.
‘Not saying all Americans are religious, but the majority of Americans are and they are the reason western religion is still afloat.’
When Americans all die out then religion will fade away too.
Is there a word for negatively judging all members of a demographic according to a stereotype of that demographic?Warning:
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It’s a weird burden that clergy created for control. A lot of people are overburdened and don’t have the time or inclination.
I wish I could say that more people are waking up but I don’t have any evidence of that.
This is the best thing I’ve experienced since I was born into the world 65 years ago. Seeing church attendance going down as people slowly emerge from the dark ages of capitalistic imperialism to the progressive light of the 21st century.
In my hallway are two very important and sacred paintings; one showing the Basilica of St. Peters burning to the ground, and the other showing the pope being set afire with straw stuffed in his mouth and naked asshole.
Religion has and always will be the bane of human society. Worse that any disease, worse than AIDS, worse that the crawling filth that calls itself trump, religion is the true enemy of humanity in every possible way.
Letting your kids go around brain dead adults and their pedophile clergy is gross negligence at the very list
And I’d add that banning books about LGBTQ people and pride flags and such actually will dramatically increase the probability of brain dead adults and pedophilic clergy, since ignorance is a large part of what drives such behaviors.
