• Mango@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    You just gonna sit there and act like they gotta be underpaid so your allegory fits? Fuckin pay them more.

    How far do you think a shooter is gonna make it through a school with opposition vs no opposition?

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      9 months ago

      You missed like all points.

      They are currently underpaid, that’s merely a fact, and I agree that they should be paid more.

      Of course a shooter wouldn’t make it as far with more opposition. The question is how many more shootings are going to happen if they can get guns right at their shool?

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        9 months ago

        Well that’s a tactical issue. You don’t think there’s any way teachers can secure their guns but be able to readily access them when necessary? That’s kind of the whole point of the security field.

        I’ll grant you that locks are generally shit. Anything with a key hole is very easily picked.

        You can get guns anywhere. It’s not like we’re stopping that to begin with.

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          9 months ago

          The question here is not the tactics that you can draw on whiteboard. Remember how well tactics worked in Uvalde.

          Teachers put guns down or lose them. Or kids get in fights with teachers. What then? Or the shooter targets the teacher first and pockets the extra weapon.

          Your final point is misleading. Most schools don’t contain guns most of the time, unless it’s the school pig carrying. If 10 teachers start carrying, you’ve just added 10x more weapons.

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            9 months ago

            Secure them obviously. If your teacher is dumb enough to leave a gun out, should they even be teaching?

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                9 months ago

                That’s an extremely unacceptable mistake. We can’t have senile people teaching and protecting our kids. Would you want Trump or Biden as a history teacher?

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                    9 months ago

                    Not that dumb of a mistake. For one, why would a teacher have their gun out when there isn’t a shooter? It should pretty much be locked down at all times. School shootings are rare believe it or not.

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      9 months ago

      Yes pay them more, but not so they can be armed. Do it because it’s a vital societal function to do a good job to educate our young.

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          9 months ago

          Because guns have only one purpose: to kill. This means they have no place in schools.

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            9 months ago

            If you can’t kill the killer, more will be killed. Don’t over simplify.

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              9 months ago

              First off, your logic is actually braindead. An eye for an eye my friend.

              Here’s something for you to consider: ban gun ownership outright, and there will be no more school shootings.

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                9 months ago

                Eye for an eye allegory is about revenge. You think someone is gonna avenge the school shooter? Get fucked. Kill the thing actively putting bullets in kids. It’s simple.

                Ban gun ownership and suddenly only the leeches have guns. Go figure.

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                  9 months ago

                  Sorry to have to break it to you, but gun manufacturers have lied to you. You’ve been swindled, Mango.

                  The solution to gun violence is not more guns.

                  That “thing actively putting bullets in kids”? It’s the guns, not the people firing them. I hope you can accept this simple truth someday.