You asked for a concrete way forward, and I’ve provided you one. Any civil rights leader in US history will tell you the same thing: no amount of liberty has ever been permitted without first being demanded, no freedom won without the risking life and limb. Find me a single instance of a civil rights leader saying we should settle for the lesser of evils and i’ll fuck off.
It would be one thing if you were simply not pushing for a cessation of Israeli military support, it’s another to fucking chastise those of us loudly making that demand. From where I stand, it’s you who is the troll.
“Nobody is free until everybody’s free” - Fannie Lou Hamer
“Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you’re a man, you take it.” - Malcom X
“No, no, we are not satisfied and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream” - MLK
“You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations” - MLK
“This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” - Frederick Douglass
If you think me to be an extremist or a troll for siding with the civil rights leaders of history, then I’ll at least be content with the company.
Lol, u quote all these things and no concrete path forward is suggested in all of that. Just a bunch of patriotic individuals saying the same patriotic things we all here have known them to say, but its not even any of how they went about trying to furthertheir cause. Youve not said a relevant word here. Maybe learn some more about those figures u reference.
As stated, im here trying to spur leftists towards every course of action available to them, and u get mad bc i dont deny voting as important. Your ulterior motives are clear, im not wasting any more of my time on u today. I hope ive wasted time of urs youd spend being a negative little nancy on lemmy trying to spread doom and gloom instead of hope, solidarity, and action. But im sure solidarity is a dirty word in putins russia.
Lol, well inform me then, how did they go about it? Because the history I was taught was that they demanded it from those with power, not by quietly accepting the options provided for them but holding hostage what those people hold dear.
You listed all the important leftists praxis except the most important one: effective direct action. Protest. Strikes. Civil disobedience.
Who’s the troll in here?
You asked for a concrete way forward, and I’ve provided you one. Any civil rights leader in US history will tell you the same thing: no amount of liberty has ever been permitted without first being demanded, no freedom won without the risking life and limb. Find me a single instance of a civil rights leader saying we should settle for the lesser of evils and i’ll fuck off.
It would be one thing if you were simply not pushing for a cessation of Israeli military support, it’s another to fucking chastise those of us loudly making that demand. From where I stand, it’s you who is the troll.
If you think me to be an extremist or a troll for siding with the civil rights leaders of history, then I’ll at least be content with the company.
Lol, u quote all these things and no concrete path forward is suggested in all of that. Just a bunch of patriotic individuals saying the same patriotic things we all here have known them to say, but its not even any of how they went about trying to furthertheir cause. Youve not said a relevant word here. Maybe learn some more about those figures u reference.
As stated, im here trying to spur leftists towards every course of action available to them, and u get mad bc i dont deny voting as important. Your ulterior motives are clear, im not wasting any more of my time on u today. I hope ive wasted time of urs youd spend being a negative little nancy on lemmy trying to spread doom and gloom instead of hope, solidarity, and action. But im sure solidarity is a dirty word in putins russia.
Lol, well inform me then, how did they go about it? Because the history I was taught was that they demanded it from those with power, not by quietly accepting the options provided for them but holding hostage what those people hold dear.
You listed all the important leftists praxis except the most important one: effective direct action. Protest. Strikes. Civil disobedience.
That comment i pasted above for u included direct action. Obviously i support that. Why wouldnt i? As ive said, all avenues
Direct action is only effective if it threatens to harm the interests of those with power.
It hasnt escaped me that you haven’t named an effective direct action yourself.
you’re a good man