• GBU_28@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Yeah that’s about unions, in active negotiations.

    You are not in active negotiations. You are in the end game. You have very few possible choices, and holding out (not voting) does not empower a track of choices, or opportunity. It only silos you into a particular choice.

    “Sticking it out” does not better your scenario, and especially does not better the scenario of the most at risk.

    Quit bolding shit, I know how to read.

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      8 months ago

      Nope, MLK acknowledges that protest is meant to bring them to negotiation, it’s not just when you’re “in negotiation”

      This is exactly the type of direct action MLK is talking about. You just find it personally threatening, and far be it from me to suggest that’s the point.

      You may well ask, “Why direct action, why sit-ins, marches, and so forth? Isn’t negotiation a better path?” You are exactly right in your call for negotiation. Indeed, this is the purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and establish such creative tension that a community that has consistently refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. I just referred to the creation of tension as a part of the work of the nonviolent resister. This may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word “tension.” I have earnestly worked and preached against violent tension, but there is a type of constructive nonviolent tension that is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half-truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, we must see the need of having nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men to rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. So, the purpose of direct action is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. We therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in the tragic attempt to live in monologue rather than dialogue

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        8 months ago

        You have no opportunity for negotiation, you have a binary choice in the upcoming election.

        Edit also you included more text, I didn’t declare verdict on everything MLK said, only that specific quote. Shitty behavior

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          Well then. Youve handle this comment chain well. Bravo, comrade. Thanks for trying so hard, my hats off to u. The troll might be a lil fed, but this is a public forum and ur conversation is visible for all to see.

          Replying to one of the comments a lil higher up for visibility, but i enjoyed all the way down. Pleasr dont stop preaching <3

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            Hah I wouldn’t actually wear the comrade title, I’m not that far left, but I do believe building a real progressive candidate is important, and a real third party would be great.

            But I’m more a realist, and there certainly aren’t a lot of options in this next election. That ship has sailed. All I really know is at-risk and marginalized folks are in GREATER danger with trump, so I’m all about avoiding that.

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              Sounds like a comrade to me. Your ideal society might not look like mine, but when it comes to it, you and i will need to be capable of standing/marching/striking together to make changes happen.

              I will vote for the lesser of two evils to keep our ability to do all those things alive, and if streets get closed or the upper classes gets uncomfy bc leftists are trying to give workers somewhere better working conditions, i only ask that u underatand and respect those efforts as well and dont give in to corporate propaganda that the far left is evil, even if the road youd recommend is different.

              Solidarity to u, solidarity to the working class, solidarity to the queer, and solidarity who wants any leftward movement from where we are, comrade.

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          Lol there’s 7 months of negotiation left, wtf are you talking about “binary choices”

          And I don’t care if you think my behavior is shitty, or if you take issue with my agitation.

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            No, the frontrunners are already decided. You are in an outcome restricted scenario weather you like it or not.

            Edit trump or Biden will be your next president. How will you aid one of those 2?

            Nothing else is possible regardless of your ideals

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              Don’t be dense.

              Biden needs to move on this issue, otherwise he can’t count on our vote. We all know Israel has crossed a line, even him. What’s being asked is reasonable. It should be a simple choice for him.

              Don’t pretend you don’t understand what’s being asserted, dipshit.

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                Uncivil. Is that all you are?

                You are approaching a 2 party, constrained system. Only one will win. How will you factor in?

                Explain your choice, in detail.

                And by choice, I mean voting action. Account for all byproducts and externalities.

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                  What choice was MLK making when he organized boycotts in Burmingham?

                  Why are you pretending like our choice is flexible, but Biden’s is fixed? Why are you so eager to accept the binary as given instead of pushing back against a pair of clearly untenable options?

                  Instead of hounding people online to vote for Biden in 7 months, why aren’t you protesting his events and pleading for him to reverse course on Israel?

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                    You have no clue what I do with my live. Your voice is flexible for the future. Your choices in the upcoming election are limited to 2