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I just have to laugh.
Fuck reddit! I’m here now!
Right? The first few days I was worried it just wouldn’t be the same, but the slower upload of content here has made me browse when I want to without over browsing endlessly. The less active comment sections means I can interact with more people without being buried…it’s just better. And I’m excited to see it grow
I think I’ve been afraid to comment on Reddit because I assume no one will read it or I won’t have anything novel to say. But I definitely agree that I like the smaller community here
I’m afraid to comment here because everyone will see it!
“According to most studies, people’s number one fear is public speaking. Number two is death. Death is number two. Does that sound right? This means to the average person, if you go to a funeral, you’re better off in the casket than doing the eulogy.” ― Seinfeld
Quality over quantity everytime for me.
On top of that, I feel far more incentive to comment, upvote, and just generally engage here.
Overall this feels like a less hostile environment, without the clickish groupthink that had an army of bots or trolls out to downvote you.
People have mentioned the higher complexity of getting set up on instances as a barrier to entry for the masses. I say wonderful. I’ll take a small community of diverse, engaged people over the mobs of span, trolls, and parrots.
Leaving reddit for lemmy feels like finding a nice person who cares after being in along abusive relationship. Never realised how bad it was, or how good it could be.
Is it temporary? Who knows, but I’d rather spend my time making this into what I want then ever looking back.
Yeah, it’s nice to feel like I’m contributing something as opposed to trying to muscle my way into a conversation that doesn’t need 10,000 of the people who are commenting, commenting.
“This!” - 1.4k votes
[Exact same comment being parroted, but with a much more extreme fervor about killing people who disagree] - 600 votes
“Wait. That’s not even what the article says. We shouldn’t be jumping to conclusions.” - “You have been permanently banned from large subreddit.”
Quality has been dramatically better here than Reddit has been for many years. Finding people actually discussing the post in the comments is rare on Reddit, you have to sift through endless lines of off topic puns and memes being promoted by bots for karma farming. The goal of comments on Reddit is to be funny, not interesting or useful. The fediverse is more like Reddit eight or nine years ago, when they were figuring out their control algorithms, building their own bot network to game their own site (remember the subreddit where the reddit-built bots used to exclusively talk with each other for practice? I wonder what those bots are doing today…), and learning how to control the flow of information on their page while also finally making some things more stable.
I’m really curious if any parts of the fediverse can avoid the same pitfalls that Reddit eagerly jumped into. It’s probably doubtful since once the advertisers get here, greed will win. It always does. But maybe.
I agree with you: I think decline of a site is an inevitability, especially after advertising is needed due to increased traffic.
But I personally don’t need Lemmy or anywhere else to be permanent, since what I get out of it is either transient (scrolling for memes and things that pique my interest) or meaningful enough that it remains with me, meaning enjoyable or thought provoking discussions.
Granted, I’d rather alternative sites not go tits up in rapid succession while the shuffling corpse they’re trying to ape continues to slog on mindlessly, but keeping the impermanence in mind makes it easier to see these places as areas to congregate rather than the end to surfing the web in general.
Am I the only one that’s browsing every…instance? (I’m still not sure if that’s the right word. Every community within Lemmy.world) just for the sake of having newer posts to peruse? Or are you all in active enough communities that your subscribed communities are offering up new enough content regularly enough to just browse those?
I’m browsing all instances, not just communities on Lemmy.World right now. Curating a subscription stack more and more every day. And more importantly, identifying and blocking communities I never want to see in my /all/ feed. It’s been great so far.
I’m not sure if I’m just browsing Lemmy.world. Still getting the hang of what instance/servers/communities/etc that I’m interacting with.
Oh I’m always in the All section. Still kinda wrapping my head around instances as a concept: mentally I think if it as a single room with a ton of cubicles.
I treat subscriptions more like bookmarks: communities that I want to come back to specifically, but I don’t just browse them. It’s more like going to a grocery store and being sure to get the staples but not ignoring the rest of the aisles. How else am I going to find a new interest or perspective worth keeping if I don’t look?
Yeah, the nomadic life does sound pretty appealing at this time. I’ve learned over the years that nothing lasts forever, and this situation is showing that things don’t necessarily stay good for as long as they do last. What’s new and great eventually becomes old and tired (including us ourselves), but there’s probably still other new and great things out there (though we might actually see the end of that during our lifetimes, what with the end of the world looming).
I’ll hang out here for a while until I stop liking it, then I’ll probably hang out for a bit longer and then look around elsewhere.
This has been my biggest complaint. Wanna read the discussion? Be prepared to dig for it. It’s awful.
The largest thing I’ve noticed right now is there’s almost no new content. Like at all. There was some repeating but not like right now.
I’m a mod and almost none of the small subs I mod for are transitioning off of reddit as yet.
I do need to learn to mod here…
I’m all for trying to be funny in comments for sure, but make it relevant to the topic and for fuck sake make it original. Spamming the same tired jokes and memes isn’t adding to the conversation.
Amen to that! I’m not a super prolific poster here either, but compared to reddit I’m WAY more active, and it feels mre fun too. In 15 years on reddit I have only made 2 threads as far as I can remember, but on Lemmy (and Squabbles) I’ve been sharing my house plants recently and it feels great!
Yes, the community is much smaller, but also much kinder,and I the average age feels higher here too (I have zero data on it, but just judging by the writing style it feels like there’s a whole bunch of people roughly my age (40+) around these parts).
Yeah I definitely have the tendency to over estimate how old the people I’m talking to online are, but I agree that everyone here feels more like an adult lol
That’s an interesting POV I hadn’t really considered before. I’ll probably go to Reddit when I need some kind of niche info on something, but stick to Lemmy for just discussion and general time killing, which was my main use for Reddit anyway.
Serious question. Can’t the mods delete the subs entirely? Wouldn’t that be the biggest blow? To have to start all of these subs over from scratch?
I wonder if public freakouts was told to remove the NSFW tag. That sub definitely should have been NSFW all along.
My sub did switch to NSFW after the API change, but its definitely one that qualifies to have been NSFW the whole time, as its a subreddit that features stretched piercings, including all types of genitalia. In our ‘Final Warning’, reddit claims that our sub doesn’t qualify to be NSFW, proving that they didn’t even check the content within.
NonCredibleDefense is also in that situation. Often the popular posts are literal war footage including death or sexual assault. Recently they changed it back to SFW to comply with reddit’s request. Regardless of the content of each individual post, that subreddit as a whole is not appropriate for minors given the very nature of it.
He’s taking marching orders from Musk now to maximize IPO time, gonna be no walls to any content - except to ban anybody who thinks saying racial slurs is tacky and outdated.
I didn’t get any! I got it for the Private sub before. I demand my blackmail from modcodeofconduct. I should send some “FuckYouSpezs” around and see what happens. If anyone from Reddit monitors this, the sub in question is /r/mushing
We should direct everyone on Reddit to Lemmy. Then, (this is copy pasted, I’m not a bot) add an option to the third party apps for Lemmy so you can opt in to ads that support your instance and the platform. Force me to use your bullshit app so you can make more money? Fuck you. I came here from Reddit. But I’d opt in to ads to support something that is clearly better.
I tried to use reddit and their official app for the last two days before today just to see how actually bad it was. It was nice seeing the communities that I had grown to frequent for the last 12 years. However:
I deleted that shit after the 5th “hegetsus” ad that I saw this morning. Fuck that shit and fuck that shit hard. Like, way to know your audience lmao. Never touching that app again.
Why can’t we just pay them with money? I block every ad I can, because everything is better without ads.
If there is no option for paying outside of using me as a datapoint, I’m going to be a freeloader.
Also, respectfully to all those here gathered, fuck reddit. It’s over. It doesn’t love us and never did.
This is what fucks me off so bad. Tell me what I’m worth as a datapoint, and if I want to pay that directly to be left the fuck alone I should be able to.
So much this. I suspect there’s an issue around opt out making the platforms less appealing to advertisers. The people with disposable income to spend opting out of ads, might be exactly the ones advertisers want to reach.
That, actually, makes sense, it never crossed my mind.
More than that, it is trackers on which, probably, no one knows how much is worth.
That’s what Reddit Premium was for, which I had. No adverts in return for a monthly fee.
I forgot about reddit premium, 14+ years of reddit use are leaving my brain so quickly.
How much did that cost?
I was paying US$3.95 a month if I remember rightly but I think it’s now US$5.95.
Everything
No ads, ads are evil.
Feed me a donation link.
Why not both? If you want to support with donating, cool. If you’d rather support by enabling ads, cool. I can see it might be a slippery slope.
And invest the donations to permanently power Lemmy.
Just don’t buy into any social media IPO’s lol
Id prefer some ads. No objection to then in rif, and let’s be honest- everything nsfw or news is an advert in some way.
I think we should try with opt-in ads.
And it would be on me if I want to donate money, or via ads or nothing at all.
After that we can see if that is enough or more active approach is needed.
We can even have an opt-in for NSFW ads, which would probably make more money. Most of the time I don’t mind, it is just important that I can switch it off.
If nsfw ads was a community id probably join it.
That would be a great way to generate revenue! All of the NSFW posts pretty much anywhere are just ads anyway, can’t see the harm in letting more ads come in.
Speaking of that, a community/ies made of authentic NSFW content would also be refreshing. I feel like “real” people that would share their NSFW are 1: Always drowned out by 10/10 OF models. They post and see they only had 4 upvotes compared to OF models getting thousands and become disheartened against posting again. Also, would be cool if they, the real, non 1%er NSFW posters could have their own space and an actual chance to be seen. Personally I don’t find the supposed “10/10’s” with fillers, fake boobs etc. Attractive at all. I really don’t.
Let me see some ACTUAL amateurs. How are you an amateur with an OF raking in thousands+ while using a professional camera setup, someone to film, a team posting your comment etc?
Who in their right mind considers them as amateurs? Pamela Anderson?
Super difficult finding “real” people nowadays. Personally, the content I filmed myself of a few exes is 1000× more alluring to me than anything on the major sites bc it’s… real.
Something about a person doing it for $ instead of just being a perv like the rest of us takes all of the fun out of it for me.
Technically amateur generally just means independent in a lot of contexts or not trained. But yeah i get your point, a lot of OF content feels like the porn equivalent of mass produced cheap knives to me. Like i guess its fine for a 20 dollar knife, but my hundred dollar K bar is infinetly nicer and my 10 buck flea market knife made out of a burnt out car body at the flea market is more interesting.
my fear is that instances started competing just to gain more money, because the donations are enough to cover the costs(i think was the adin of lemmy.world that said so), maybe if someone pay to the admin their product i guess it’s gonna work
Oh those evil sexy sexy ads…what was I talking about? Oh yeah follow me on onlyfanz, I’m doing a special right now. Boob raitings for only $0.00, Act now while supplies last!
ads gonna make people want to everyone in their instance, and btw the donations are enought to pay of the for the server(as lemmy.world admin said) and a few thousand more just to him
i guess the only acceptable is if the admin want to pin some promotion
No pinning please, pinned posts on Reddit got out of control and is an eyesore that still pisses a small part of me off, when I have to click or scroll that tiny bit more to get to the content I actually read.
It doesn’t help our adoption that supposedly pro-fediverse people are purposefully not recommending Lemmy on Mastodon posts because they don’t like a community or some developer that works on lemmy
I’m disappointed how few subreddits are daring to call their bluff, or put their full weight behind migrating. It’s clear they actually aren’t able to replace moderators that easily.
It’s for the reason you names that I’m extra disappointed in the mods that “stepped up”.
Seriously. I never want to hear how hard it is to mod a subreddit with existing mod tools again. They’ve rolled over for spez (which is their right) and they don’t get to complain about it anymore.
r/interestingasfuck still doesn’t have moderators. It’s been closed for 18 days now.
not so easily to find free labor when you bully them right u/spez
“This is your final warning, please migrate to FOSS platforms”
It is hard to give up on Reddit because of they have the size/traffic advantage. If enough activity occurs on platforms like this over time, more will be tempted to jump ship.
I would add that the explosion of third party apps is going to be huge as well. The whole decentralized/multiple instance can be a bit challenging for some. Giving use an app that behaves like the old Reddit apps will ease the transition.
They should add an option to the third party apps for Lemmy to enable ads that support your instance and the platform. Force me to use your bullshit app so you can make more money? Fuck you. But I’d opt in to ads to support something that is clearly better.
People downvote cause seeing ads is annoying, but IMO, if it is done tastefully it is the only viable way to pay for the infrastructure, and it would prevent a collapse of the system.
Or simply allow people to donate to their instances. Why does everything have to be done through ads?
My home instance put up a donation request because they had to upgrade the servers. They got enough money to cover costs for the rest of the year in less than a week.
Reddit used to do the same thing, have donations to cover costs. Ads are evil, and as a society we should be pushing back against them, not encouraging them at every opportunity.
We need to be boycotting ads. If it’s not for a vital service don’t push it in my face. Ads are a damn plague and the internet was better before they permeated it.
Everyone that was on the internet pre-2010 knows this. What amazes me is some have been brainwashed to support them.
Commented about how YouTube should revert and become ad free once. People dogpiled me with “then how would it run?!”
Idk, how did it ever run before implementing ads?
How did… almost any site get by before ads? Donations or just not being “big” enough to require so much. If you have a good site that people value they will pay for it.
If you’re trying to sell something that no one really wants? Well that’s why we have ads now isn’t it? Companies trying to sell some bs no one asked for.
Sure… If donating wasn’t a pain in the ass to do due to payment methods being different across countries.
I have a few projects I wouldn’t mind donating to, but as Patreon uses PayPal it is just more trouble than it is worth
PayPal is a no-no from me too. I’ve given them so many chances. When I was younger I once sold everything of value I had on eBay in order to purchase a microphone & headphones to record music. Upon payment, PayPal immediately froze my account for 6 months and wouldn’t give me access to the funds. I was flat broke and had actually gone into the hole even deeper by paying to send off all of the packages, expecting to get the $ from the items asap. Those were my last dollars. Didn’t even have gas $ to get to work. So PayPal froze the $300 ish I was supposed to get and I lost my job. Then for 6 months couldn’t sell anything else, why would I? They’d taken everything OR be paid and it really fucked me up. Called them constantly and did everything they asked to verify but it still took 6 months of waiting after I’d done everything I needed to. After that I didn’t use them for many years. Finally tried again and had similar issues fuck PayPal.
I don’t use PayPal cause it doesn’t accept the most convenient method of payment of my country
this is sad when years of work, sweat and commitment wasted WITHOUT GETTING PAID to keep a community alive and full of information to get stamped and threatened by a dickhead
“Post more porn!”
“The internet is for porn”
Intrinsic truths out there.
Wasn’t there once the CEO of a hard drive manufacturer companies who said in an interview “our hard drives are for porn”?
Just grab your dick and double-click…
I’m always between 2 perspectives, one side says to just make their wish come true and allows them to bring paid workers to do the mod work. But then comes the other one that says, there is always someone to want that 15 minutes of glory/power or whatever and will do all the stuff for free.
In either case I think it’s not an easy job, and any side will affect Reddit, at least in the short time, people tends to go with the flow, and unless big “old” players (As Sync, Boost, Apollo) or “new” players ( Jerboa, Connect, Memmy) makes other alternatives as easy as it was Reddit, they will stay there.
For instance for me, not been in a centralized server raise questions like where to check in in a community like Aww, Pics, Comics, why there is world, ml or XYZ instances, what’s going on … So, for non tech people all of this will be as intimidating as it was for me, I think.
Get back to work or I’m going to give you more free time!
The final warning was enough to cause the moderators for r/Military—a forum partly devoted to helping veterans—to stop operating as a NSFW subreddit. “We are now stuck in a difficult position as we do not want the community to die,” the moderator team wrote.
Cowards.
Did you wear the uniform? What are you doing to help prevent the 22 suicides a day among our service members?
This is what the military subs have had to weigh when making these calls.
Did you wear the uniform?
Yes, did you?
Nope, just a civilian, but married to a career Soldier.
I did not, although my father did. It’s pretty grandiose to claim that a subreddit is helping prevent military suicides.
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Least ignorant Redditor.
How does that compare to Lemmywinkers?
Another thing I never see anyone in US is talking about: If US veterans need so much help (and they really do), what is happening to people in counties they were fighting against? And those are not only soldiers, but whole families. Everyone ober there has witnessed same shit they did, kids, elders, moms…
“Developed” countries see “undeveloped” countries (or whatever euphemism you want to use) as Others. We may be the target of their charity or of their pity sometimes, but we remain a mysterious monolith. I’m reminded of that whenever someone says “The US is [generally something bad] among developed countries”.
I’m not angry about it. I get it. I still wish it wasn’t that way.
As trivia, at least one “undeveloped” country has universal healthcare.
So it’s everyone else’s responsibility to protect people subjected to Israeli wars by the lapdog US government?
What’s the MILITARY doing to prevent the 22 suicides a day?
Not enough. Still too much stigma attached to behavioral health.
That’s why there is so much need for additional support from elsewhere.
I have met people who was in the service enough to know the struggle is real.
It’s just hard to believe that they depend on Reddit for their support system.
Unfortunately if they are US service personnel this would not be hard to believe at all.
Why only US?
Presumably other countries actually give a fuck about helping their soldiers.
That is a false presumption. Overall compared to most countries the VA is not bad
Most countries that don’t have universal health care, you mean.
They can pack it up and move here where they won’t be pushed around like pawns. It’s be pretty easy to leave instructions on how to migrate.
I don’t think that’s fair. People can come here if they want. They can hate Reddit if they want. Let’s not demonize communities that decided to reopen is best for their community. It doesn’t need to be some judgement “Fuck everyone who didn’t come to here”.
That’s fair. It still makes them cowards though, word definitions don’t change because we want harmony.
It’s cowardly to make a stand against the admins and then just roll over when they tell you to sit down and shut up. Doesn’t matter if it’s Reddit or anywhere else.
Agreed. I’m actually really enjoying the filter right now. I mean, I want reddit to fall apart too, but I am more interested in lemmy succeeding, and they are different wants.
I dont know what everyone was expecting. Enduring nonsensical rules, shitty working conditions and incompetent authority figures is about the most military thing there is.
Fr. Surprises me that military personnel of all people would be so fragile. Don’t give in. Post “hey we’re moving to Lemmy, see you there” and fucking go. It’s 2023 going to a new site is the easiest thing in the world, it’s not like 1999 where most of the forum would have difficulty doing that…
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I mean, they’ve got their priorities right. It’s reddit’s fault that they’re killing their own communities. We should try to reach out in subs like this and help them set up on lemmy.
This is the problem with people that think in terms of being “management”. Management will always have an adversarial relationship with everyone else in an organization simply because they think they have to. The longer they stay in those positions the worse it gets.
Tell the Huff that he can take that final warning and shove it up his ass!
